Foxy,

As you all wallow in being nice to each other and stopping domestic violence, what are you all going to do about the Qur'an's sanctioning of beating the wife if she needs a bit of correction?

Count the number of Muslims attending the rally.

Foxy, you said my "generalisations about grouping all Muslims
together into one homogenous group" are wrong. I didn't say they were all radicals or fundamentalists.

No, what I said is that ALL Muslims accept the Quran and all except one here accept the traditions (ahadith)". I think that is a fair and accurate statement. Given that the Quran teaches hate and violence and slanders nonMuslims and all Islamic histories basically tell of Mohammed's vile attacks on his neighbors, I think my characterization is 100% accurate. Muslims accept and support hate and violence, at least that done by Mohammad and commanded in the Quran. Period. Double standards are no standards, at least in my book, or do you think absolute moral standards are too demanding or unfair?.

Tell me, Foxy, do you see any problem with the Quranic command to not just kill, but to brutally torture those that oppose Islam? There are a bunch of us here that fit that description. Do you have a good excuse for that verse? Do you even know what verse I refer to?

You know I have been doing this here at OLO for a long, long, long time. Have things gotten better in all these years or have problems with Islam increased? Why?

I have spoken with dozens of Muslims over the years and the results are not encouraging. When it comes to Allah, the Quran and Mohammad, it seems that all Muslims find them perfect, and any issues are due to (insert excuse here).

If I were to say that Muslims were sub-human, everybody would condemn me and rightly so. But getting a Muslim to condemn Allah and Mohammed for saying nonMuslims are "Lower than animals" is hopeless.

I believe we cannot trust Muslims. They cannot live in peace with us, in numbers, as equals.As I have said for years, it will get worse.

Now don't jump down my throat, BUUUUT, I want to test a couple of facts which surprisingly are covered in the Muslim lifestyle. The attacks and mutilation of women aside, (just for a moment), let's look at a couple of things the Muslims practice. The women dress in a modest and un-provocative way. Where-as Western women do not, making themselves look 'attractive'. In fact at times (at the beach) they are 'naked'. Then scream rape when a guy is 'attracted' to them. The Muslim women don't try to compete with men with stupid mantra's as 'we are just as good as any man' or prophes to be equals. They know they are not. The Muslim woman has a much more mature approach to life. She doesn't drink so she is NEVER drunk and disorderly, carrying on in a 'slutty' manner. Western women today actively seek men for sex in a role reversal form the past. All as a direct result of stupid parents and weak fathers pissing in the ear of their daughter with rubbish like 'your special', 'you can be whatever you want to be', and the like, when it is all false hope and gives the child a sense of entitlement. We have one of the highest divorce rates because women thought they were better off dumping their husbands rather than working things out with him. Now they are alone and having to fend for themselves. Not only have they stuffed themselves and their family or children, but now they have to work, taking jobs from husbands who are trying to support a family. But that's OK because selfish bitches only think about 'SELF' that's why they're selfish. I don't know the first thing about Muslim women, but I know more than I care to know about Aussie maggots.

Toni Lavis,
What we could do is stop accepting migrants and refugees from muslim dominate countries. We could simply say 'these blokes are too much trouble' and stop admitting them. We could also be far tougher in regard to deportation so that more are deported.

Also we could rule that Islam was not a religion, but a political movement as someone else mentioned and then ban them in our best interests.

Just because someone is treated like a god doesn't mean it is a religion. Whitlam was treated like a god by the ALP, as was Mensies by the Libs, but neither are religions.

Foxy, I know you don't like to compare Australia with Europe, however, the problems that have arisen there with Islam came about once the numbers of Muslims reached a level that they could cause problems.
Look at Sweden, one of the most inclusive, accepting societies in the world yet they are having huge problems with a massive increase in crime, especially rape, reluctance to work on the part of many refugees, no go zones that are dangerous for non Muslims etc.
I worked with Muslim health professionals in the hospital system and found them polite and friendly, however, they were very few in number and were highly educated, something we don't see in those causing the problems.
Surely as a nation we can't be that stupid that we ignore what has happened in other Christian countries and not do the best we can to prevent it happening here?

Domestic Violence
So long as women keep choosing the type of steroided alpha males that will turn on them, there will continue to be Domestic Violence.

You can blame men for being that way, but if you don't blame women for choosing these men then you're never going to completely deal with the issue.

By the same account women can be manipulative, and it's my belief that men are most likely to lash out when pushed into a corner.

I don't think a man chooses to have run-ins with Police and go to court for Domestic Violence any more than a woman asks to be beaten up and then get taken to hospital.

Until such a time as we start teaching young people the how's and why's of having good relationships, and of how to handle situations that they may not have the skills to effectively navigate themselves, then domestic violence has a great future in this country.

And you are all deluding yourselves if you think otherwise.
It's all well and good for older people to say 'we know better' but the real issue is the younger ones don't.