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Sorry, don't know why it is not working , but anyone can google her.
Posted by Banjo, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 3:23:28 PM
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Is Mouncey legally a female?

If so then refusing to let her play is a clear case of discrimination based on sex.
Posted by Is Mise, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 8:32:39 PM
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Foxy,

I agree with you, for women to compete on anywhere near a level playing field would require a women's league.

IM made a valid point, in order to accommodate those with gender dysphoria all that is required to change one sex status legally is a letter from a doctor or psychologist irrespective of whether any physical transformation has actually occurred, and the question is whether banning a person who has all the male genitalia and other physical attributes is now discrimination?

Even if Mouncey goes through with the full gender reassignment surgery, his hulking 6'3" 100 kg frame is a result of maturing as a male and is physically a risk to other women in a contact sport.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 4:04:26 AM
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There is something rather infantile about the discussion on gender change: yes, surgeons can dock a bloke and give him hormones to pump up his breast and bum tissue, and reduce his Adam's apple, but he's still a bloke. His DNA is XX or whatever, a bloke's. His body's hormone system will always be a bloke's. Being a man or a woman is a bit more that looking like a man or a woman.

Until the Gramscian Institute for Total Social Disruption develops techniques for changing people's DNA, a man will remain a man, and a woman will remain a woman. I'll drink to that :)

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 8:44:06 AM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

This is a bit of a tricky issue. I know very little
about gender re-assignment and what it entails and
I can't really make up my mind whether someone of a
certain height and weight who was a male should
be allowed to play as a woman. Women also come in all sorts
of shapes and sizes. There are tall women (6ft) and ones
who are rather weighty as well - what do we do about them?
Are they at an advantage in a woman's team? I think I'll
leave this up to the sporting organisations to decide what
they are going to do about their "different" team players.

I know this is not a good answer - but I can't think of
anything else to say.

Dear Joe,

I'm not sure that I agree with you. People who feel they
are born in the wrong body and they are absolutely certain
of that fact should be allowed to correct that error.
Take the famous entertainer - Carlotta - who for 26 years
from 1963 - was the undisputed Queen of Kings Cross - the
legend of Les Girls, a landmark theatre restaurant where
all the women on stage are really drag queens.

I read her story "He Did It Her Way" and found it to be
a fascinating and often hilarious journey into her world as
a performer and transexual who started life as a Balmain
boy and went on to have one of the first sex change
operations in Australia.

There is no way that you would ever describe Carlotta as
being a male. She was candid, witty, irreverent, classic
Carlotta - and so, so female.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 9:44:07 AM
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Dearest Foxy,

I think you may have proven my point: that bloke's DNA would still be a male's. He can dress up all he likes, and ponce around, acting out some blokes' exaggerated and stereotypical fantasies about how women are supposed to look and act, and he's still a bloke. And not a particularly feminist one at that.

What the Gramscians need to do is find some wimpy little bloke who wants to get docked etc., and apply to join a women's sporting tam. Then they can whinge about how terribly cruel the world is for not allowing a man, obviously no bigger than many women, to play the sport he loves. Etc. Etc. Whatever works.

I suppose I'm still a bit of a residual Marxist, and I wonder what Marx would have made of some of these incredibly trivial issues that the well-off classes go on about. Currently, almost all of Yemen is without water, so people will soon start dying, not just from malaria and cholera, but from thirst as well. And hunger. The Saudis have blockaded all their ports, so food can't be brought in. It's possible that millions will die in the next few months. Now THAT's an issue that the Left should be getting their baby-teeth into.

Love,

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 10:06:54 AM
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