I thought that a change of topic might be
interesting.

According to a recent article in a magazine
Queen Elizabeth has decided that her grandson
Prince William will skip past his father and take
the throne with his wife the Duchess of Cambridge,
I'd like to know what posters on this forum think
were this to happen?

I had taken for granted that the eldest son of the
Queen would inherit the throne.

Was I wrong?

personally Foxy I see the days of the royal family limited simply because they are out dated and little more than a drain on the public purse.

Bring on the next republic debate, or perhaps it's important enough a topic to hold a public vote. I doubt it, but here's hoping.

If one is not her majesty, one has no way of knowing who will replace Queen Elizabeth II. However, Prince William seems to be far more popular choice than Prince Charles. One can't understand how several generations of breeding with the pick of the opposite gender produced Charles.

I've been hearing this rumour ever since Prince William turned 18. I suspect it is just that: a rumour. I mean, could you imagine doing that to your own son, regardless of how unpopular he is?

It could be what's keeping Betty alive. Prince William is far more popular, after all (and parents sometimes outlive their children (both mine and my wife's grandparents outlived their oldest children)), but I doubt she'd do that to her own son.

Ever since the death of Diana, poor ol' Chuck has been doing his darnedest win the public's approval. But, unfortunately, he just looks so awkward doing it.

//I had taken for granted that the eldest son of the
Queen would inherit the throne.

Was I wrong?//

It isn't the Queen's call, the succession is up to the Parliament. There are a few Acts which cover succession, most recently updated in 2013 to remove the preference for male heirs over female ones. All of those Acts are quite clear that Chuck is next in line for the throne. Her Maj can make all the suggestion she wants to Parliament but they're free to ignore her, and unless they make amendments or pass new legislation Chuck becomes King the moment she kicks the bucket.

Of course, there is always the possibility of Chuck abdicating in favour of Bill.

//One can't understand how several generations of breeding with the pick of the opposite gender produced Charles.//

Because those 'several generations of breeding' were in fact several generations of inbreeding. When one blood relative and another blood relative love each other very much.... you get results like Chuck, or the soulless, ginger freak that is Harry.

Charles for King, it's time that those gates were opened.

Thank You for all your comments thus far.

Rumours are circulating both online and in the
tabloids that the Queen wants to disregard the
line of succession and make Prince William and
Kate Middleton the next King and Queen of
England, instead of Prince Charles and Camilla,
Duchess of Cornwall.

I've now checked on the web whether the Queen has
the power to do this and apparently she doesn't.

As one website informed - it would be against the
law. Specifically the 1701 Act of Settlement which
requires that a Monarch heir must be a direct
successor and a Protestant.

Prince Charles fits the bill on both these requirements.

Whether people like the Prince or not the man has been
in training for the job since he was 4. He's been
training to take the throne for his whole life.
I personally feel that it would be cruel for him not
to be given the job.

Also, since Parliament instituted that Act, and apparently
the Queen has no power over political laws, Parliament
would need to be the one to change it. And, the British
Parliament as we're learning with our Constitution
probably also takes a long time to pass new laws.

It will be interesting to see how much longer will the Queen
continue to reign. She's now galloping towards 92 - how
much longer will Prince Charles have to wait?

//She's now galloping towards 92 - how
much longer will Prince Charles have to wait?//

The Queen Mum made 101... could be a while yet.

Dear Toni,

Yes that's true. The Queen mother did live
to be 101. However she was a widowed Queen,
a Dowager Queen and held that status for
50 years. She was the mother of the
reigning monarch and did not have any rights
to succeed her husband the King when he died.
Her daughter Elizabeth became Queen.

With the current Queen who's been on the throne
for 65 years (longer than Queen Victoria), surely
being 91 and her husband - 96, she could give
her 69 year old son, Prince Charles a chance to
rule? But you're probably right - she won't unless
her or her husband's health decides things for her.

Victoria produced the lines of Kaiser Wilhelm and Tsar Nicholas who were not good news and Prince Philip's mother who was insane. That is not permitted in Kimland which is holy.

"Leadership in the hermit kingdom has passed to a male heir ever since Kim Jong-un’s father, Kim Il-sung, took control in 1948.
State mythology says that the “party and revolution must be carried eternally by the Baekdu bloodline”.( Mount Baekdu. which has supposedly blessed the Kim family with its holy energy).

New Yorker :" In the video, Kim Han-sol identifies himself as a North Korean and a member of “the Kim family.” South Korean National Intelligence Service publicly confirmed that the man was, in fact, Kim Han-sol, a nephew of Kim Jong-un, North Korea’s leader, and believed to be the eldest son of Kim Jong-nam, the leader’s half brother, who was murdered last month at an airport in Kuala Lumpur.
..an argument can be made that Kim Han-sol is more entitled to the position of Great Leader than Kim Jong-un, who is Kim Jong-il’s third son, and whose mother was born in Japan. "

Dear Nick,

Thank You for that.

We can learn quite a bit on this forum.

Yes Foxy and my posts are also available...
I sent this to Lithuanians today . What do you think?
" Mažai ,

Could you tell me that Indraja upelis can mean "Indra river" ?

Indraja is a stream . Pašiles Upelis is a stream , plusti .

About 800 years ago an Indonesian boat arrived in north NSW and brought some Sanskrit language , it seems . Indonesian language has about 50% Sanskrit words. Tamils from India settled in Java from 1025 and Indra is major god in Bali Indonesia today and he made sacred pools of water.

In Brisbane ," Indooroopilly is a corruption of either the local Aboriginal word nyindurupilli, meaning 'gully of the leeches' or yindurupilly meaning 'gully of running water' ".

This may be nya Indra pillai ." There! Indra's water". Sanskrit Indragopa are insects that come out after Indra sends rain.

Old Java language : nya "look! see! here! there!;

Tamil pillai " water-tap". Indonesian pilek "runny nose". Java pelus "freshwater eel".
"Pelus river" in Malayasia.

Old Java pelek "drowned, swallowed up, washed away"
pelen; "dripping,"
pelem; a water-bird
Sanskrit pelayati { pel } " impel . to go."

Maybe Lithuanian has the same tradition of naming a river for Indra . Indratataka "lake of Indra" is at Angkor Wat Cambodia.

Indooroopilly - History - Everywhere History
www.everywherehistory.com/indooroopilly/
Dec 14, 2016 - History of Indooroopilly the area was first settled by Europeans in 1860, ...
First is nyindurupilli, meaning 'gully of the leeches' and second ...

I certainly hope so, I have a soft spot for Charlie, & his dad.

I love the way Phillip doesn't only put his foot in things, but kicks the hell out of whatever has grabbed his foot, while it's in there.

Pity Charlie didn't inherit a bit more of his dad's way of doing things. Perhaps he did, & the royal training squashed it when he was too young to resist. What ever he deserves his turn.

Who knows, but perhaps England's Donald Trump is hiding in Charlie, just waiting to escape when his day comes, & god knows England needs a Trumping almost as much as France, & Australia.

Dear Nick,

Thank You for taking an interest in the Lithuanian
language. The following link explains more:

http://www.lsk.flf.vu.lt/en/department/courses-for-foreigners/lithuanian-language/

Thanks Foxy,
Indraja seems to be related to Indra , they say. Indrarani in Sanskrit means his wife. Probably there was a Mr. Indra river or lake in Lithuania. Indooroopilly is evidently Witton creek at Brisbane on the river and was a flood plain . The Dnieper river of goddess Danu begins just south of Lithuania and Danann gods were in Ireland.

Dear Nick,

I'm excited at what you're telling me and you've
now also aroused my son's interest in the
language. He had no idea that it had so many
connections to other countries. He's now gone off
to do more research. So thanks heaps!

Indrani "wife of Indra.
Indriya "sense. companion of Indra".

Dear Hassie,

I hope that we shall get to see Prince Charles
become king. I would like that very much.
I think that he would make a good king.

//I think that he would make a good king.//

It's hard to be a bad King in constitutional monarchy like Britain, where all the real political power is in the hands of the Parliament. His duties will consist of being wheeled out for various ceremonies, cutting ribbons, shaking hands, waving at people and hosting garden parties. Basically, unskilled labour. And pretty much what he does already, so he's experienced.

Toni,

The Armed forces would owe allegiance to him, so he would not be powerless.
He's actually quite talented.

They could do a coronation oath at Canberra handled by Australian of the Year on Jan 26 .
"Are you an Aussie and will you do the right thing?"
"Bloody Oath , mate".
"Not a pommie then?"
"I'd rather not discuss this with you if you don't mind".
"OK fair enough , you're in".

Dear Is Mise,

I tend to agree with you that Prince Charles is
quite talented. I remember reading some time
ago about his concerns regarding farming,
architecture, medicine, the environment and so
on. Apparently his opinions are always heard and
he spreads his ideas through his writings and
speeches, through his charities and his allies as well
as behind the scenes in private meetings and
correspondence with certain government ministers.

However therein lies somewhat a bit of a problem.
He is not supposed to be proactive as far as the
government is concerned because if he forfeits his
position of political neutrality as heir to the throne,
he cannot easily recover it when he is king. So how
should he reign once the wait is over will be interesting
to say the least.

However, he's been in training since he was four years old
and I am sure that he must be well aware of what he can
and can't do. I personally can't see him giving up his
concerns about issues that matter to him. It is for that
reason that I felt he will make a good king and we should
not underestimate him.

Foxy,

He's also a pilot and a skilled navigator as well as being a rather good shot.
I knew people who had served with him in the RN, both officers and other ranks and all had nothing but good to say about him.
I've never met him but have exchanged salutes, I gave the army salute and he returned the compliment with a naval salute as he was in naval uniform at the time; how he remembers to salute in accord with the uniform of the moment always amazes me somewhat.

We are very, very distant relatives but I know some of his closer relatives, they live in Sydney.
Their grandparents were employed at Buckingham Palace, he was a groom and she was a maid.
Suddenly they decided to get married and emigrate to Australia, they landed in Sydney and bought a small business.(marvelous how much one can save from meager wages!).
Their eldest son was born not long after their arrival and the older he got the more he looked like King Edward VII, in his later years he was persuaded to grow a beard and WOW!!

Dear Is Mise,

WOW - is right!

Thank You so much. I had forgotten all the other
qualifications that Prince Charles has. And Thank
You also for sharing your story with us.

One of my favourite TV programs is "Australian Story,"
and learning about people's lives, where they came from,
et cetera.

Again - Thank You. The more we learn about each other
the more this helps towards greater understanding of
each other.

"Their grandparents were employed at Buckingham Palace, he was a groom and she was a maid.
Suddenly they decided to get married and emigrate to Australia,
Their eldest son was born not long after their arrival and the older he got the more he looked like King Edward VII"

Sounds like another "Downton Abbey"

So is it being proposed that there is an 'illegitimate heir' currently living in Australia, or are we just getting to know each other better?

Dear ilmessagio,

Nothing of the kind is being proposed.

Is Mise did say it was a distand relative.

Read about the order of succession in the UK if you're
concerned.

As far as getting to know each other better?

Some people we just may want to give it a miss.

Varrei aver sentito il tuo messaggio.

Before I leave for this evening I would
like to Thank everyone who has contributed
to this discussion. It is appreciated.
However I do feel that it has run its course.
So I shall leave it there.
Have an enjoyable evening.

This man was a relative of Is Mise who may be related to me.

"Michael Edward Abney-Hastings, 14th Earl of Loudoun (22 July 1942 – 30 June 2012) was a British-Australian farmer, who is most noted because of the documentary Britain's Real Monarch, which alleged he was the rightful monarch of England instead of Queen Elizabeth II.

He was born in England and educated at Ampleforth College in Yorkshire, but emigrated to Jerilderie, New South Wales as a teen, where he was a rice farmer and family man. He was the heir-general of George Plantagenet, the younger brother of Edward IV of England. If Edward IV had been illegitimate and the crown of England had descended by male-preference primogeniture before 1500, then George (and his heirs) would have been monarchs of England.

Abney-Hastings died on 30 June 2012 in New South Wales.

In 2004, Britain's Real Monarch, a documentary broadcast on Channel 4 in the United Kingdom repeated the claim that Abney-Hastings, as the senior descendant of George Plantagenet, 1st Duke of Clarence, is the rightful King of England. This argument involves two disputed claims: first that Edward IV of England was illegitimate, based on the accusation that his supposed father, Richard, Duke of York, was absent at the time when Edward is thought to have been conceived; and second that the Plantagenet crown should have descended by male-preference cognatic primogeniture instead of agnatic primogeniture and conquest. Also, Henry VI had placed an attainder on Edward after he was restored to the throne, and named George, Duke of Clarence, as heir to the throne after Henry VI and his legitimate issue."

Dear Nick,

Thanks for that.

However, for me this discussion has now run its
course.

I have decided to move on.

Foxy are you going to Jerilderie , home of Ned Kelly's assault on monarchy?
"Abney-Hastings had two sons and three daughters. His eldest son, Simon, held the courtesy title Lord Mauchline , one of the seven co-heirs to the Barony of Grey de Ruthyn.

Abney-Hastings was a councillor of the Jerilderie Shire ."

The only thing the royals care about is killing us all off.

Prince Philip
"In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, to contribute something to solving overpopulation" (1988)

Prince Charles and Prince William
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5046845/Prince-William-warns-s-people-world.html

Foxy,

I'm the distant relative, along with hundreds of thousands of others.
The family that I mentioned are much closer, their Australian born grandfather was a half-brother to George V, his son (my childhood playmate and then next door neighbour) is a first cousin to George VI, and his children (to one of whom I'm a godfather) are second cousins of the Queen.

To all of them, it's a good family joke.

half-bro of Geo V ?
Is that Geo 2.5? or who ?

//The only thing the royals care about is killing us all off.//

Well, they are all lizard people, so you can't really blame them.

Anyway, leaving the wisdom David Icke to one side for the moment -
Queen Camilla, anybody? And a chill filled the room...

The thought of 'that awful horse-faced woman' as Queen Consort will upset an awful lot of die-hard Princess Di loyalists, and there are still plenty of 'em. She's like Elvis. Are there Diana impersonators, or is it still too soon?

Now let us all rise and sing God Save the Queen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtUH2YSFlVU

She ain't no human being, and our figurehead is not what she seems... John Lydon should sue David Icke for copyright infringement.

It was Harold's and really belongs to Harold XXXI who lives in Swampsy Slurry behind Alf the butcher's. William and his merry men and gay barons didn't deserve to win it and tricked Harold's pikers at the last injury-time. Ask the High Court , no Frenchmen on our monarchy they couldn't keep their own.

"Queen Camilla, anybody? And a chill filled the room..."

I think you might've hit the nail on the head there Toni.

Rechtub,

".... I see the days of the royal family limited simply because they are out dated and little more than a drain on the public purse."

Actually, they are not only relevant but they also make money for the taxpayers.

" their Australian born grandfather was a half-brother to George V,"
Not possible . You must mean from his sisters. Not much royal value in that . You mean Queen Alexandra came to Australia heavily pregnant , had a child no-one has heard of and raised some tourist dollars for the taxpayers?

Or you mean illegitimate son of Edward VII the possible great-grandfather of princess consort Camilla. Yes well illegitimate tourism is fine , did they have an outdoor sentry box behind the house?

The Consorting Squad | Australian Police
https://www.australianpolice.com.au/chronology-of-policing.../the-consorting-squad/
The Consorting Squad was considered the best training ground of all for aspiring young Detectives to acquire knowledge of the 'under-world'

Reading between the liners, I would say it was the queen who picked Diana, & Charlie being a dutiful son married & was stuck with her.

Camilla, obviously consoled Charlie in his misery for many many years, drawing the enmity of the queen for doing so.

If the queen is attempting to bypass Charlie, it will be to get back at Camilla for not being a dutiful subject, & leaving Charlie alone in his misery.

Dear Hassie,

All we can do is speculate.

And I guess much has been stated - regarding Prince
Charles, and his love-life. I thought he acted
so decently when Princess Diana died in that
car-crash. He insisted on giving her the full
"Royal" treatment that was rightly hers despite
the initial objections from the Queen. And he has
stayed loyal to his now wife Camilla, the Duchess
of Cornwall. They seem like a good match despite
all the scandal surrounding them.

Of course many people still resent Camilla and her
involvement in the affair with Charles. She's not
popular. But, I am sure that if Charles becomes
king, Camilla will also become Queen. And with time
the people will accept her.

"Her title will not be officially confirmed until his ascension. At this point, Charles will also reveal if he plans to take on another name as King. George VII has been suggested by some commentators.

Queen Elizabeth’s father was named Albert, and known as Bertie, but he chose to become George VI when he inherited the throne. Queen Victoria decreed that there should never be a King Albert.

According to precedent, the wives of ruling Kings become Queen consorts but the husbands of sovereign Queens do not have the right to a title. This is the reason why the Duke of Edinburgh is not known as King Philip. "

Suggestions for his regal name are being accepted. So far , the most popular in order of eminence are:
Aural ( "ears") also similar to "Aussie".
Muggins
I Talk To The Trees
Albertcharlesgeorgevladimir 1.

Dear Nick,

Thanks for that.

Interesting facts.

Yes we can add Mindaugas and Vytantas to the list of regal names.

Unless he becomes King Charles the damn gates will stay closed.

"The Prince of Wales has donated £2000 to a Catholic church in Belfast that has been at the centre of disputes over loyalist band parades.
..in 1970, when Andrew Parker Bowles began dating Princess Anne; however, Andrew and Camilla later reconciled , marrying in a Roman Catholic ceremony at the Guards Chapel, Wellington Barracks in London".

//his now wife Camilla, the Duchess
of Cornwall.//

I find it interesting that people are unwilling to use her proper title. She is the Princess of Wales but the last person to have that title before her was Diana. So naturally it's taboo to call her that, never mind the protocol...

Diana's untimely and unfortunate death has seen her morph into some sort of weird totemic cult figure so much so that now people think of her as THE Princess of Wales rather than just a Princess of Wales. If people can't stomach the thought of Princess Camilla, how do you think they'll feel about Queen Camilla?

Dear Toni,

The Duchess of Cornwall prefers not to use the title
Princess of Wales because of its strong association
with the late Diana, Princess of Wales and who can
blame her. It brings back the scandal and who needs
that as a reminder. However, I feel that were she to
become Queen she would develop her own claim to that
title and make it her own. That eventually people
would accept her.

"Camella as a female's name is a variant of Camilla (Latin), and the meaning of Camella is "helper to the priest", handmaiden/female of unblemished character attendant in religious ceremonies and rituals including funerals. It ultimately originates as the feminine of camillus, a term for a youth serving as acolyte in the ritual of ancient Roman religion, which may ultimately be of Etruscan origin.
In the Aeneid, Camilla was the name of a princess of the Volsci who was given as a servant to the goddess Diana and raised as a "warrior virgin" of the Amazon type."

"You look a right Charlie in that clown outfit! "
A short, pointed beard, like that of King Charles I.

Dear Nick,

You are so full of information.

And it is so interesting.

Thank You.

Foxy
good old google !
It seems that a camilla was a robe worn by female mourners at Roman funerals . It is silky French cloth.
Camella Robe Midi À Empiècements.
Greek 'chimaera' was a goat-fleece jacket , Papal 'zimara' and Galician-Spain 'zamarra' worn by 'zamarrones' who wore a goat head on their head up to last century. It was French 'chamarre' "fine robe" and became English 'chimere' which in middle ages was a royal robe of 'khamlat' cloth . Khamlat is fine silky goat-wool of Angora goats , 'seil el kemel' . Camulos was a goat-horned god at Camulodonum in Celtic Britain, Belgium and also in Romania. This may connect with Camelot and Celtic kings .

Goats pulled Thor's sky-chariot and Santa Claus probably had camelot undies with his silky red jacket .
Not sure about Thor.