Hi Altrav,

I enjoy your posts even if I don't agree with you on every issue: who does amongst us, i.e. agree with anybody else on every issue ? That's called democracy and freedom of thought.

But can you please break up your posts into paragraphs ? When I see one of your posts, I want to read it but feel like I'm about to get hit in the face by a brick. I used to have the same problem, giving myself a sort of verbal constipation (so pain at both ends), but realised that even I have to take ideas in small doses, a couple of sentences here or there before I have to have a lie-down. i.e. put forward an overall idea, broken up into sub-ideas.

But keep it up !

Joe

Loudmouth, I am well ahead of you. I know I am not as good at this writing thingy, unlike everyone else. I did not take to English at school and have struggled with it all my life. I have picked up a few words, here and there in spite of myself, but I am by any means happy with my writings. I think I try to get my thoughts down too quickly, possibly before I forget them. I do struggle with the written word, as I do with anything literate. Sorry to be wanting. I would like to say I would like to do better, but at 67 and not really in the best of health I fear that learning anything' more for me is moot. I'll try to accommodate. Let's see how I do in future.

Hi Altrav,

BAM ! Jeez, that hurt. All my teeth are getting loosened up. No worries, just break it up - too or three sentences and then start another paragraph, to sound real academic. As a Bankstown boy, these little hints helped me :)

And don't worry, you never stop learning. And one of the most important things is, like you say, we all keep learning. It shouldn't stop, even if it drives you bloody crazy, you start to get the idea that nothing is going to ever get resolved, problems will keep going, and maybe getting worse, for as long as there are humans. We're a crazy lot of bastards. The only consolation is that our grandkids and great-grandkids will be facing the same frustrations. It'll serve the little buggers right. Keep at it, Altrav !

Cheers,

Joe

Butch you have "queer" friends do you, "have gay friends, that's right, I'm not a homophobic, and I am dreading the day where I get invited to their wedding, because I will have to decide between my beliefs about marriage, and my (queer) friends,"

No problem Butch, you call them what you call them on the forum.

You shirt front them with "Ah! queer fagot friend I'm not sure if I can attend your so called sodomising phoney marriage, which you should be calling some other dribbly name, not marriage! Frankly I was a big No voter, think you've got no right to conduct this pretence nonsense, which should be the exclusive domain of us straight guys! Now I will think about your invite and see if I'm going to do you the honour of have me at your perverted ceremony!"

That should be enough to ensure they withdraw your invitation, and never speak to you again, Problem solved.

Foxy, just because the majority in WA voted yes will not stop poofter bashing from occurring. From memory there were around 8 million Muslims in the Us at the time of the 911 attack, yet just 19, that's (one nine) or .00024% of the Muslim population brought the country to its knees. Sorry, but majorities don't mean much at times.

Opinion2 I am not wrong, and neither are you in fact as we are both entitled to our opinions. You support gay marriage, I don't and that's life.

Now while I can accept your position, you cant accept mine and that's something you and many gays will simply have to deal with while fighting for marriage equality.

The conceited view of some homophobes, religious and others, that gay people crave their approval, they don't. Butch writes "you cant accept mine (opposition) and that's something you and many gays will simply have to deal with while fighting for marriage equality." Deal with what? Your lack of approval, its totally irrelevant.

What was pleasing to see from the survey was the overwhelming acceptance of a minority lifestyle, by the majority. while it was not approval, that question was not asked, nor do I believe was it implied. A result that would have been unthinkable not that long ago.

What the survey did for politicians was make it easy for them, without fear, to implement marriage equality laws in Australia.
Butch also said "while fighting for marriage equality" What planet have you been on, that fight is clearly over in Australia, and acceptance of marriage equality won the day. The ones that have to get over it, are the die hard's and hold outs, who wont accept the overwhelming will of the people.