Where do you think socialism comes from?
Kibbutz.

And where do you think all these refugees came from?
They came from the US intervening in other countries in the M/E
The US, who is more or less puppet nation to Israel;
And Israel who has had a long standing policy of destabilising it's neighbours.
'Zionist Plan for the Middle East' Look it up.
All this stuff is pro-Israel neoconservative agenda.
Wesley Clark 7 wars in 5 years
http://youtu.be/9RC1Mepk_Sw

Toni, you're right I've played these games plenty of times before.
And I've seen time and time again how the pro-Israel side act.
Of course you had to come in and scream 'Holocaust' like a halfwit to try and change the subject and constantly reinforce the idea Israel is a victim.
You'll never enter into rational discussion on these topics because it would just shed light on certain facts that go against the official 'narrative'.
So all you mob ever do is scream Holocaust and Anti-Semite to avoid any discussion with facts you'd rather not acknowledge.

//Toni, you're right I've played these games plenty of times before.
And I've seen time and time again how the pro-Israel side act.//

I'm not pro-Israel. Those guys are dicks. Nice attempt at a strawman, though.

But I am anti-genocide. It saddens me that you're not.

You do realise that the attempted genocide wasn't just against Jews, right? Gypsies, homosexuals, the disabled... all in the firing line as well. Maybe I'm just pro-Gypsie. Or pro-disabled....

Damned if I know how this thread lead to some of the comments made, particularly the Israel-bashing. Remember, Israel is the only democratic bulwark against Islam in the Middle- East. Personal feelings about Israel, Jews etc. are irrelevant in the war against Islam, which the West should be fighting with the utmost vigour, instead of the current no-viglour-at all gutlessness and cowardice.

Hey ttbn,
I'm sorry if I took the thread in a different direction than you wanted.
What happens is I make an opinion like everyone is entitled to and then I get challenged for having the opinion I do, and I'm forced to defend my statements.

Now that said, I think its a valid point to point out the connection between Jews and 'Socialism / Communism'.
I understand you're pro-Israel, and I don't really mean to disrespect you by taking a thread you started in a direction that you might oppose.

Here's a link I found - Not sure how accurate the information is but it resembles the kind of stuff I came across years ago that lead me to have this view.

http://heretical.com/miscellx/bolshies.html

On the other side of the argument, Wikipedia seems to hold an alternative point of view.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism

Regardless of my criticisms or perceived bias for one side of an argument or the other I always try to stay true to the facts.

Here's a point I can give as an example - You know I have no love of GetUp! and the neo-liberal fascists of the Soros Brownshirt variety.
But there is one issue that I actually support them on.
- And that is, retaining Medicare.

There is another point I want to make, and I was considering starting a thread for it.
- You used the word 'democracy', and I was considering starting a thread entitled:
'Foreign Policy: Is Western 'Democracy' Terrorism?'
- And then I would discuss that Western 'democratic' foreign policy primarily consists of undermining other nations with the use of 'Regime Change'.

Toni
"But I am anti-genocide. It saddens me that you're not."

Really? That's the conclusion you come to?

I've told you all before - I support freedom and liberty for everyone, I think everyone should have the right to live however they choose so long as it does not affect anyone else in an adverse manner.
And I challenge official 'narratives', when it looks like theres more to the story because I think that when the facts get twisted, so does everything else.
All pretty simple...