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Are vaccines safe?

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I don't know what science can do to improve communication and understanding. But I guess a lot comes down to the fault of scientists for not being sufficiently media savvy.

This is short and worth the few minutes it takes to can it,

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/infographics/journey-of-child-vaccine.html

Hoping that posters might pass it on.
Posted by leoj, Sunday, 15 October 2017 1:34:39 AM
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Should be, "This is short and worth the few minutes it takes to SCAN it"

No, it wasn't a Freudian slip just my usual poor typing. Big hands and a little keyboard. LOL
Posted by leoj, Sunday, 15 October 2017 1:39:06 AM
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Hey AJ Philips,
Admittedly I didn't know the precise definition of agnostic, or had forgotten over time.
I knew atheists did not believe in God and Agnostic were 'fence sitters' but I'd kind of forgotten the technical aspects of gnostic/agnostic.
Your linked comment and images; the first was helpful but I couldn't understand 'law of excluded middle'.
The first image was easy to understand, but since I like to question and challenge things, firstly I'd ask is there a point to the word 'gnostic'?
- How can anyone be 100% certain one way or the other?
For me; and maybe it's just me that doesn't get it, but I cannot comprehend how others claim to know that God exists 100% for sure.
- Especially when they then argue it's a matter of faith.
Is faith evidence?
Without real evidence believing in 'God' could be a matter of 'mental health' as much as a matter of 'faith'
Could it not?
So lets say I move to the 'agnostic' side because I don't think its possible to be 100% certain.
It's not that I'm moving to one side of the aisle or the other, I simply can't comprehend how the other side is even possible.
It seems illogical but I go on the agnostic side anyway.
Next the chart is trying to place me into one or two smaller categories.
'Agnostic Theist' or 'Agnostic Athiest'
Why do I have to be one or the other?
If I 'don't claim to know with 100% certainty then why would I sway one way or the other.
Why must I be categorised as 'believeing or not believing' if my primary belief is that 'I don't know one way or the other'?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 15 October 2017 9:21:18 AM
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[Cont.]
- I don't know one way or the other is my primary logical belief, so it's not right to even try to place me into one of the further subcategories.
And trying to categorise me as gnostic or agnostic is kind of stupid to since realistically (to me) if someone claims to know for sure its just as possible they're in need of mental health checkup.

The more I look at that chart, I feel like it's just stupid and tries to put people into categories and pit them against each other.

I don't know 100% for sure.
I don't want to fight and argue about it, or be defined or categorised for thinking rationally.

The second image, I couldn't understand exactly what it alluded to sorry.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 15 October 2017 9:33:14 AM
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Toni,
I hate it when you do this, act demanding and think I'll jump throught your hoops and perform like a circus animal.
I'll perform allright, only with more self respect and by suggesting things that you can go and do to yourself...
I understand this is a may be a topic you feel strongly about because of your child and it obviously challenges your beliefs, don't see why I have to always justify your constant petty whining.

Look at the news links and stop badgering me with your nitpicking crap.
Read the bloody news.

http://duckduckgo.com/?q=fluvax+death&t=hb&atb=v81-6_b&ia=web

10 deaths linked to anti-flu vaccines - The Australian
Fluvax given to children under-five despite ban - Herald Sun
Queensland health officials withheld flu death details - The Australian

You can read can't you?
Do you really want to still argue this crap or does this not answer your stupid questions already?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 15 October 2017 10:13:09 AM
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Armchair Critic,

Just be aware though that the media do go off half-cocked. Please don't be encouraged towards any cynicism or disbelief where the prestigious medical research institutions in the Western democracies are concerned though. Know too that there is a comprehensive array of checks and balances, reinforced with legal teeth.

Current and from a reliable source,

"Rare side effects of the flu vaccine

There is a very small risk of a serious allergic reaction (anaphylaxis) to any vaccine. This is why you are advised to stay at the clinic or medical surgery for at least 15 minutes following vaccination in case further treatment is required. Apart from anaphylaxis, other extremely rare side effects include febrile convulsions in children.

In 2010, one brand of influenza vaccine caused an increase in fever and febrile convulsions in very young children under five years of age. This brand is no longer registered for use in young children. Your doctor will discuss with you the best influenza vaccine brand for your child.

A small increase in Guillain-Barré syndrome was seen in the US in 1976, but since that time, surveillance has shown that it is limited to one case for every million doses of flu vaccine, if at all.

If any other reactions are severe and persistent, or if you are worried, contact your doctor for further information."
http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/healthyliving/flu-influenza-immunisation
Posted by leoj, Sunday, 15 October 2017 11:21:38 AM
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