How about the right of children of gay people to not feel stigmatised by living in a society which says that their parents should not be allowed to get married?
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Dear AJP,

You are asking why the problem should not be allowed to develop more problems?

The children of gay parents should never have been put in this situation to begin with.... if you want to open pandoras box the rest of society had the absolute right to say NO to your bulldust buddy!

Dear Cupric,

A relative of mine is homosexual and has two sons, born to him and the same lesbian mother, using that same natural procedure that heterosexual couples use. It's a biological fact.

yuyutsu,

You are hardly talking about lesbians and gays then!

The YES vote is lost in principal... no wonder people avoid them in society!

That they do, Dustin.

<<The words describe different and discreet concepts.>>

However, they can still overlap, as both you and I demonstrated.

<<Equality speaks to the sameness of things.>>

Broadly speaking, yes. In this sense, however, it refers to equal treatment with regards to “status, rights, or opportunities.”

http://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/equality

<<If [the definition of equality] were not absolute, we could substitute the word ‘similar’.>>

No, once again:

“If it were absolute, then we’d need to release prisoners because they’re not being treated equally.” (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=7880#243937)

“In Australia, women were given the right to vote before indigenous people were. But did that mean there was no equality at all, even though (white) women were being treated equally to (white) men?” (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=7880#243937)

You never did address those, did you? In fact, I’d say you “studiously avoided” them.

<<You might have an equal number of apples and oranges. The fruit are different.>>

Irrelevant equivocation.

<<Eligibility speaks of the capacity to moderate, discriminate or qualify.>>

Correct, and if one group is moderated, discriminated against, or qualifies differently to another group, without good cause, then we have inequality.

<<The qualifier is their eligibility which restricts marriage to those of opposite sex.>>

Okay, so how about you finally tell us why gay people shouldn’t qualify to marry each other? You keep dodging this question.

<<The concepts of equality and eligibility, while different, work on concert.>>

Correct.

<<Perhaps that&#146;s what you meant by “overlap”?>>

Somewhat. The two concepts are not entirely distinct. One will always invoke considerations regarding the other, when it comes to the treatment of individuals and groups.

<<If the 'no’ vote gets up, you won’t know why you lost. If the ‘yes’ vote gets up, you won’t know why you won.>>

Why is that?

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Cupid Embarrasment,

I've already pointed out that, 'Won't somebody please think of the Children!', is an irrelevant angle of approach because same-sex couples are already having children. You're only rebuttal to this was to point out the irrelevant fact that they cannot produce children together.

Cupid Embarrasment,

I've already pointed out that, 'Won't somebody please think of the Children!', is an irrelevant angle of approach because same-sex couples are already having children. You're only rebuttal to this was to point out the irrelevant fact that they cannot produce children together.
Posted by AJ Philips, Monday, 4 September 2017 2:48:42 PM
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You can't tell us why the children don't matter and expect us to believe you when you try and say our points are irrelevant: we are the mainstream of society ...without us their would be no children or even a society for that matter!

Without us their would be no technology in the first place to try and corrupt to pretend gays can have kids: the simple fact remains that they can't!

Gays can't have kids... you can't tell me that is an irrelevant point: you simply can't!

Dear CE,

Gays have children. Through a variety of means.
Whether through adoption, from previous marriages,
through surrogacy, or through IVF.

Today with the rapid advances in the availability
and technology of artificial insemination lesbian
women are able to become mothers without having
had any heterosexual relationships at all.

Therefore your statement that gays can't have children
is wrong.