A German journalist, by the name of Michael Sturzenberger has been
convicted and sentanced to 6 months gaol for publishing
an article about the co-operation between the Nazis and the moslems
and from memory it was the Imman of Jerusalem.
He published a photograph of Hitler and the Imman.
His accent is a little hard to understand. He is out on a suspended
sentence at the moment.
He was accused of publishing something that criticised Islam.

http://tinyurl.com/y9a9y3b4

It appears that there is a campaign to force companies to refuse to
do business with those websites that are accused of being "hate" sites
. They do not seem to need much forcing. Paypal, Google and Amazon
are involved,
It seems that anyone who criticises Islam can expect such treatment.
There are organisations that are collecting information on websites
and running around companies telling them they are terrible people for
doing business with those sites.

You might remember we had an incident like that here with a beer
company and a discussion on same sex marriage, Tim Wilson and somebody else.

These are just two incidents that I know of but there are plenty of
examples of politically incorrect speakers being shouted down.
It seems the fascists are staging a come back.

http://tinyurl.com/y9a9y3b4

US commies and German Nazis get the sack. Forbidden, ja? Protesters is US smash statues and hatred , it won't be tolerated. 1933 -1945 didn't exist except for the Red Army and Private Ryan and the cigar man with fire-bombs. Hitler was Austrian or Australian and Chamberlain agreed with A$@)&^ H-tl-r and was a bad man.

The really stupid thing is that it is the West itself that is 'dismantling democracy's - just as the Muslims have predicted. The West has lost the will to defend itself.

The attack on alternative media and their viewpoints has been going on for quite some time, and it's a whole lot nastier than what the general public knows about.

One aspect of labelling alternative news 'hate speech' is an attempt to defund the advertising revenue of these alternative viewpoints to force them to shut down, so that only progressive voices and opinions are heard.

We're already living in 1984, in case you're not aware Bazz, but thanks for bringing it to everyones attention.
They won't listen when I say it.

I'll keep on saying it - 90% of the news is propaganda, and that's because all wars (or agendas) are information based, designed to sway public opinion in one direction or another.

There is no investigative journalism.
It's all just pushing establishment agenda talking points, right from the top down, and it's no wonder the people are now mostly confused, opinionated and uninformed mindless jellyfish.

And yet we have the same people screaming against
independent news sources such as "New Matilda,"
"Independent Australia," and the ABC - especially
programs like Q&A and 4 Corners.

So much for investigative journalism and free speech.
Mr Murdoch and News Corp rule - right.

A widely peddled book that demands coercive sanctions against those who reject its prescriptions is an example of hate speech that should be banned.

For more, read
http://freethoughtnation.com/what-does-th-koran-say-about-nonbelievers

Yes Armchair, I have been reading about the fascist attacks on anyone
who speaks out of turn overseas.
It is much worse in the UK and Canada than here.
In both Canada and the UK people have been gaoled for criticising
Islam and/or moslems in general.
Canada has adopted Sharia blasphemy laws.
You can be gaoled for criticising Islam but not Christianity !

Then in Australia a Jewish congregation was refused permission to
build a Synagogue because it might be attacked by moslems and/or fascists.
Would it not have been better to put a stop to the moslems and/or fascists.
Taking into account the many Islamist attacks on churches will a
DA to build a church be refused on those grounds ?

Our politicians do not seem to know about these trends and act as
though nothing is happening to be concerned about.
The PM is walking around Sydney looking at where bollards can be
installed. Hope they leave gaps big enough for fire engines ?

Hey Foxy,
You're damn right I criticise Independent Australia.
That site is no more than an advertisement or meeting place for deranged progressives.

I've had more comments censored there than ones that were allowed, and they were all factually based.
Banned for telling the truth.

Independent Australia will remove comments for no other reason than a commenter is not reinforcing their left-bias narrative, and I can actually prove it, if I were to add the link to my Disqus account and let you read my comments for yourself.

Its a truly disgusting and deceitful website, in every way.
I don't have time for morons selling me narrative and conjecture and censoring the facts.
They are not an unbiased or credible source of news or opinion.
You know I just say it how I see it; as for the others you mentioned I'm not familiar enough with them to give an honest opinion.

In Germany they are really keen to prosecute anyone who criticises
Islam. Here an Iranian woman who left Iran to get away from it has
joined a anti Islam party and has made a political statement
criticising Islam and is under police investigation.

http://tinyurl.com/yahe8qpb

Make no mistake it could happen here if we are stupid enough to bring
in blasphemy legislation like the UK, Germany, Canada etc.
The fascists here in Australia would really like to get it here.
I think the only thing stopping it might be that Malcolm Turnbull
knows that it would be the last straw for him and would bring back Tony Abbott.
Before the next election we must demand that the Greens/Labour promise
that they will not bring in such laws, "Under a Government I lead".

It starts with criticising Jews or Israel...
Probably goes back to the ADL, this move of speech against Israel sets the precedent.
It's funny you look at the way US congress votes...
99% support to ban any speech criticical of Jews or Israel (despite the First Amendment)
- and then only 2 or 3% of Congress supported the 'Stop Arming Terrorists' Act.

What does that tell you?

Dear Bazz,

What a crock! It must be that time of the month is it mate?

Firstly this bloke is an absolute sh&$-stirrer who attempts to try it on repeatedly. To call him a journalist would certainly be gilding the lily somewhat.

His crime was not just posting the bloody picture but using it with the words "See? Islam is Fascism!".

Posting the picture is actually covered under Sozialadäquanzklausel or Social Adequacy clause as long as it is accompanied with social, historical or scientific content. His wasn't.

The court deemed it propaganda which it clearly was.

However the punishment is a wholly suspended sentence so if he behaves for a few years he will do no time at all.

Germans quite understandably have a low tolerance for this type of propaganda.

And what on earth are you still sneaking around the jihad watch site? That thing will give you cancer mate.

Victoria has restricted speech on Islam. Daniel Nalliah was prosecuted for warning against Islam. It cost him over $500,000 to defend his case.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Nalliah

Dear Josephus,

He wasn't just warning about Islam was he now.

This was the kind of inflamatory rubbish CTFM was sanctioned for;

"There are many things in the Qur'an are not completely clear, not very clear, so then you read Hadith, you read the explanation. OK, so when people read that, study that for six years, they become true Muslim and we call them terrorists. But actually they are true Muslims because they read the Qur'an they understood it and know they're practising it"

So basically those who study a part of their faith for 6 years automatically become terrorists?

Why on earth isn't teaching that kind of crap deemed hateful?

"Germans quite understandably have a low tolerance for this type of propaganda."
what a fascinating sentence . Hatred must be smashed?

Foxy - Quote "And yet we have the same people screaming against
independent news sources such as" "and the ABC - especially
programs like Q&A and 4 Corners."

I hope you don't rely on them for independent analyses of anything they are so biased and corrupt (got $100 millions plus from Gillard for what? not reporting things)

Yes ABC has some truthful programs but overall most are just biased beyond belief, and they do not ask the hard questions when they have the opportunity.

Thanks Steele for setting the record straight on Michael Sturzenberge. Any student of history would know there was an established relationship between Hitlers Nazi Germany and the Arabs of North Africa and the Middle East between 1933 and 1945. A case of my enemies enemy is my friend.
If we are going to be critical of Hitler supporters, those of the pre WWII vintage, many leading western conservative figures were also, if not disciples of Hitlers National Socialism, certainly admirers of it. They included our very own Robert Menzies, founder of the Liberal Party. As Attorney General Menzies visited Nazi Germany in 1938, returning with complementary reports. Histories revisionists, and Menzies himself, painted a different picture post WWII.

Paul,

Don't confuse Mensies' admiration for the massive economic turnaround that had occurred in Germany with sympathy for Nazi policies, or compare this with the Imams of Trans Jordan discussing the ways to kill Jews with Hitler.

Irrespective of Michael Sturzenberge's past, the 6-month jail sentence was for posting a completely authentic photo on his Facebook page. Even the pernicious 18c would not apply. While Germany is sensitive to its past, the photo makes a strong point whether people want to hear it or not.

Here's a TIME report by a US Navy historian about Arab : Jewish homeland wars. The Arab view of genocide is ambiguous.
Hitler and the Grand Mufti: What They Really Said in 1941 | Time.com
time.com/4084301/hitler-grand-mufi-1941/
Oct 22, 2015 - Adolf Hitler talking to Grand Mufti Haj Amin el Husseini

The photo of their noses is intriguing : did Hitler have part-Semitic genes? Did Jews start both the Soviet revolution and Hitlerism? Was WWII a Jewish civil war? Did Germany ban that 2015 TIME magazine?

nnn,
You gotta follow the money; who funded Hitler?
That would be German - Jewish banker Max Warburg, brother of Paul Warburg who was one of the original founders of the US Federal Reserve, if my memory's correct.

hmmmmm..
"Paul Warburg was a planner for the U.S. Federal Reserve System which is a collection of private banks, and attended as the American representative, at the Treaty of Versailles conference, where his brother Max was on the German side of the bargaining table.

Beginning in 1933, Max Warburg served on the board of the Nazi Reichsbank, reporting directly to Hjalmar Schacht, before emigrating in 1938.

Before World War II, Max Warburg served on the board of directors of Interessen Gemeinschaft Farben or I.G. Farben, the giant German chemical firm that produced Zyklon B gas used in Nazi internment camps. His brother Paul Warburg served on the board of directors of I.G. Farben's wholly owned American subsidiary, which was also associated with Standard Oil (however, Paul Warburg died in January 1932, before Hitler was elected Chancellor). I.G. Farben Auschwitz, founded in Katowice (33 km northwest of Auschwitz town) had its own corporate slave camp called Buna/Monowitz, where prisoners from Auschwitz were put to work. The Kilgore Committee Report of 1942 claimed that all I.G. Farben board members had precise and prior knowledge that Zyklon B (an insecticide) was being used to murder civilians in concentration camps, with no attempt made to halt production of the insecticide after such murders were understood. I.G. Farben, financed through Wall Street, was instrumental in channeling funds for the rise to power of the Nazi Party (as was Prescott Bush). It was claimed I. G. Farben also built up the industrial and war-making capabilities of Germany once the Nazis were in power while simultaneously attempting to restrict industrial production materials to countries marked for invasion by Nazi Germany, all of this to such a degree that all German board members other than Max Warburg were charged after World War II as war criminals. The I.G. Farben factories were carefully avoided by Allied bombers indicating they were protected, as was Max Warburg."
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So Hitler denounced Jewish bankers and used them for funding. One day we'll find Hitler was a secret priest who heard confessions from Stalin and wore a burka in the bunker for Bar-Mitzvah.

Hi Shadow,

What the world does not remember today is that as far as the West was concerned there were two Hitlers. the pre 1939 Hitler, and the post 39 Hitler. The dramatic events of WWII have pushed the pre 39 Hitler into the background. Fascism was both admired and supported in western democracies during the 1930's, the Menzies position was not uncommon. Today it is interesting that no photographs of Menzies 1938 official visit to Nazi Germany survive, nor do any official reports or communications from Menzies as to his observations.

You say; "the photo makes a strong point whether people want to hear it or not." What is that strong point? Other than historical significance, the position of the Arab leadership at that time is well documented, and not in dispute. The photo has no more relevancy to today's political climate than my account of pre-war Menzies and today's Liberal Party. The purpose is to use history to associate today's Muslims with Fascism. Although some Muslims are clearly extremists, and worthy of being in that league, it is grossly unfair to place all Muslims and their religion in that position.

Turnbull has rightly pointed out that general attacks on all Muslims is counter productive in our fight against extreme terrorism. Moderate Muslims are our best ally in that fight, they suffer even more than we do at the hands of extremists.

"That had indeed been the policy of the German government at least until 1938. Hitler’s reply to Al-Husseini on November 28, however, confirmed that this policy was already a thing of the past before that meeting. A great deal of evidence indicates that the decision to murder all the Jews of Europe had been taken sometime during the prior six months. The implementation of the policy, indeed, had begun immediately after the invasion of the USSR on June 22,."

"Menzies’ letter to his sister Belle was dated August 6, 1938.
Menzies wrote home. “Nevertheless, it must be said that this modern abandonment by the Germans of individual liberty and of the easy and pleasant things of life has something rather magnificent about it.

“The Germans may be pulling down the churches, but they have erected the State, with Hitler as its head, into a sort of religion which produces spiritual exaltation that one cannot but admire…”
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Bob was then in the United Australia Party , for a fascist one nation genocidal holy master of Muslims race . Menzies and Curtin both refused Semitic refugee immigration.

nnn.
I think you could look at it both ways.
Not just that Hitler used Jewish funding, but also that Jews funded Hitler...
What Paul says is true, many leaders expressed respect and admiration before the war, possibly because of how well he had rebuilt the german economy.
What is interesting is that Jews went to war against Hilter on March 24, 1933. 'Jews of the World Unite. Boycott German Goods'

Paul1405, "Fascism was both admired and supported in western democracies during the 1930's"

Rather it is the authoritarianism of the perceived 'strong leader' that is admired by some. Same as now, now difference. I would argue that more women support a 'strong leader' because they place more value on predictability and defence of what they have now.

Some here will not like this, but Gillian Triggs exemplifies the authoritarian personality.

Of course this can now degenerate into cat-calling from both sides, losing the real point - that freedom of speech is the only real bulwark against authoritarians and totalitarianism and the truly dangerous are those who would limit it for all sorts of 'good' reasons.

Should be 'Same as now, no difference'.

AC
Honorary Jews were not Jews in Goring's system. "Mufti Amin al-Husseini of the British Mandate of Palestine of the British Empire, an Arab, "was granted honorary Aryan" status by the Nazis".

Jews were not honorary Australians in Menzies system , 5 years after Germans and Jews boycotted each other's shops. Some Germans were interned in WWII like Japanese for terrorist bombings at Pearl Harbor and London. Those bombers are honoured in Japan but not Germany and Jews and Palestinians are not honourable Nazis.

anyone who thinks it can't happen here just needs to see the idiotic response of Brandis to Hanson's burka stunt. Brandis and all those applauding demonstrates what cowards they are and yet the same mob have mocked Christianity for decades. The swamp desperately needs draining among academia and parliament if this nation is to have any chance of once again becoming democratic. Look at the way the fools are complaining about giving people a say on perverting the marriage act. Oh what horror (giving the people a say!)

"mocked Christianity" You may mean this stunt against Catholic values
The Liberal Unionist Party: A History
Ian Cawood - 2012
"The Duchess of Devonshire helped to cement the Conservative–Liberal Unionist alliance with a celebrated fancy dress ball which Asquith famously attended, dressed as Roundhead soldier ."

"Prince Harry has apologised for wearing a swastika armband to a friend's fancy dress party." He did it to honour Edward VII who had a photo of himself with Hitler. The British Nazi Royals have been been banned from EU after giving Israel to Israel.

Paul,

By the late 30s, the West had pretty much got the idea that the Nazi regime was distasteful, however, given the very strict measures that the Nazis took to control the media, it is always easier to judge with 20/20 hindsight. The same can be said for the murderous Communists whose regime had begun to stink as news dribbled out in the 60s.

Not all Germans were murderous Nazis just as not all Muslims were/are murderous fascists.

New dribbled out to 55000 and a few others:
"..on March 27, 1933, with the New York City rally of 55,000 and parallel events held in Baltimore, Boston, Chicago, Cleveland, Philadelphia and 70 other locations, with the proceedings at the New York rally broadcast worldwide. Speakers at the Garden included American Federation of Labor president William Green, Senator Robert F. Wagner, former Governor of New York Al Smith and a number of Christian clergyman, joining together in a call for the end of the brutal treatment of German Jews.

Goebbels announced a one-day boycott of Jewish businesses in Germany of his own to commence on April 1, 1933 . If the protests did not cease, Goebbels warned that "the boycott will be resumed... until German Jewry has been annihilated".
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Menzies was British to his boot-straps he said.

see the socialist/democracy hating tantrum throwing kids in America still committing acts of violence.

The damage to that car which moved peacefully down the hill and was struck by bodies is terrible. There was violence on both sides of the fender.

Shadow, it began to stink the day Stalin took over, 22nd January 1924, and it was rather smelly beforehand under Lenin.

But, as FDR famously said to Churchill; "I think I can work with Uncle Joe." sure got that wrong. Like the Arabs, another case of my enemies enemy is my friend.

I wonder if the media was as dishonest then is it is now?
Because if it was, it's likely that whatever we think we know about history is probably somewhat disconnected to the truth.

Paul,

In war, one is not too picky about allies, FDR and Churchill chose to ally with one odious branch of socialism to defeat another odious form of socialism. In peace, however, one's allies define one. The Arabs alliance with Nazis will haunt them forever.

To be honest, when people talked about large companies manipulating news I thought they were being paranoid, until recently.
I needed to reference a large Canadian study on the educational outcomes of children raised in all types of families, including same sex.
Two years ago , on Google, even a vague reference to the study brought up several websites which had the full study available free.
Last week I went to find it again and it had seemingly disappeared! Even when I found the exact web page I needed, Google only brought up links to paid access.
I had to use a search engine I had never heard of to get my hands on it.
Re the ABC , I accidentally saw the end of a documentary on Kath Walker, the indigenous poet, and they are still spreading the lie that the 1967 referendum gave citizenship and the right to vote to aboriginal people and that the white Australia policy was in relation to aboriginal people.
It's no wonder we have young people agitating against indigenous treatment when they are drip fed all these lies.

I can thoroughly empathise with Big Nana's frustration with the Orwellian mass forgetting of recorded - and lived my many of us -recent Australian history.

Big Nana,

Aa NSW politician gave the example of gay marriage, where a search for gay opposition to SSM always turned up articles from the pro-SSM side,

http://kirraliesmith.org/2017/08/google-search-is-sus.html

It might be that a different search engine will produce better results.
I have seen reports recently that Google has become politically sensitive.

Bazz you are correct. I have had to use more obscure search engines lately to find information on topics like ssm and actual true facts re indigenous affairs. A google search always prioritises the black armband version of indigenous history with little regard for the truth. Even government website like the education department are spreading incorrect information.

that's strange, this is on first page of google [ aboriginal benefits civilisation]

Australian White Settlement In Perspective (1995) - Our Civilisation
https://www.ourcivilisation.com/cooray/mabo/chap15.htm
There was nothing utopian about traditional Aboriginal society, which was characterised ... White settlement brought to Australia all the advantages of one of the ...

You would know Big Nana, you are a gold mine of righteous information when it comes to anything indigenous. Pity its all one sided.