Foxy, the lefty culture was my phrase.
At that time there were no greens but it was labour to its bootstraps.

It really developed after TV came along but did not become recognised
till much later about when my son started.
I did not work for the ABC so it was only some odd remarks by friends
who did work there.

Somehow I didn’t think you’d take up my challenge there, phanto. Why am I not surprised?

<<Then there were black people and white people. Two groups. We do not have two groups in this debate about marriage. You pre-suppose two groups.>>

Oh. The ‘There’s no such thing as homosexuality’ line again, eh? I already addressed that at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=7798#240412

You are yet to counter my response. Perhaps you could start by explaining how scientists understand as much as they do about the evolution of a trait that supposedly doesn’t exist?

The burden of proof still lies with you on that one, phanto; despite the fact that I challenged your assertion anyway.

Time to fulfil it.

The government is already preparing to water down the very expensive "vote" by dropping the word plebiscite and replacing it with the more innocuous term survey. I thought a survey was some kind of market research, like determining what brand of washing powder people used. At $122,000,000 this survey to be conducted by the ABS is extremely expensive, did Turnballs, get a quote from Roy Morgan Market Research?

Abbott was quick to set the tone of the coming debate! From the SMH;

"I say to you if you don't like same-sex marriage, vote no," said Abbott. "If you're worried about religious freedom and freedom of speech, vote no, and if you don't like political correctness, vote no because voting no will help to stop political correctness in its tracks."

Abbott was backed up by the nasty religious fundo Lyle Shelton, who wrote that "the marriage plebiscite is a referendum on freedom of speech and 'safe schools'". He has lamented the "stolen generation" that are the children of Australian gays.

The haters from the anti gay marriage lobby are already sharpening the knives. no amount of anti hate speak legislation is going to stop it.

To show their fairness the governments man responsible for the survey is Minister Michael McCormack who in 1993 wrote; “A week never goes by any more that homosexuals and their sordid behaviour don’t become further entrenched in society,” Will McCormack's view be reflected in the survey?

Actually, it's all about saving the Government money.

Two hairy big blokes boarding together but not telling the pension mob that they share the same bed, both qualify for a full pension but if they are married then they go on the married rate, with a consequent reduction.

Hell of a lot of dollars, over the coming years, to pay for a meaningless scrap of paper.

The 'Progressives' sorted same sex 'relationships' on that and ruling that sex isn't necessary either. Julia ('Misogyny is a man looking at a watch') Gillard, Attorney General Nicola Roxon and the Grls, said so. It is 'being there' and 'not being there', or something, but definitely not sex, no way.

Of course, the ABC's panel of experts ('their' ABC has its special, favoured, experts) including the Dan ('imported to outrage') Savage, would need to be consulted on that.

Nowhere near as gay as it was before Labor's Julia G put them on couples benefits. The Centrelink phones must run hot with public-spirited denunciations, er, make that suggested 'confirmation and recognition of relationship status'. So helpful.

With State recognition come responsibilities and public service clerks checking and deciding things that were once private and sorted so easily and without lawyers too.

Still, it WAS all worth it for the well-heeled 'Progressive' types who won extra entitlements. What joy.

Good to see the gunnie pair Issy and Leo, who on another thread are vigorously arguing the rights of the minuscule minority to have their gun fun, at the expense of the majority. While on this thread the gun happy guys bemoan the rights of another minority they don't happen to agree with.