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Dear Josephus,

The moral "ten commandment standards?"

Do all religious leaders uphold those I wonder.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 9:36:08 AM
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Dear Paul,

Here's a link that examines parenting amongst gays and straights
and what the research shows:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/16/gay-parents-better-than-straights_n_1208659.html
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 10:16:23 AM
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For those quoting results of studies that show same sex parenting have no different or sometimes even better outcomes than opposite sex couples I suggest you actually look at those studies. You will find that just as the large group of Tasmania doctors opposed to the AMA position have stated, they are based on very flimsy, and subjective data and none of the studies would have passed any scientific requirements for a reputable study.
If you don't believe me, go check out the methodology of the studies. You will find that they are mainly small, not random selected, do not have appropriate control groups and do not have measurable outcomes.
For example, just recently I read an article that stated that children raised in gay households were actually emotionally better off than in opposite sex homes. But when I checked how the study was actually done I couldnt believe it was allowed to be used as evidence for anything.
They took a small group of 7 year olds and asked them about how happy they were, about how many friends they had, about how happy they were with their parents, about how did they like school etc!
And that was supposed to be a scientific study.
I could go to a very remote, very dysfunctional, aboriginal community and ask the same questions and the seven year olds would tell me how happy they were, and they would be laughing and smiling whilst they told me, because they don't know any different to the life they have and have learned to be happy in appalling circumstances.
Most of the studies are based on questionaires given to volunteer lesbian mothers, with no measurable outcomes.
The only very large study done that is random, huge, has control groups and measurable outcomes is the one done by ALLEN, in Canada, on hignschool graduation rates of children from all different family types.
Naturally this study has been dismissed by the gay lobby but it remains, along with the Renegurus study, the only ones that are large, random, and have measurable outcomes.
Posted by Big Nana, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 10:52:53 AM
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Foxy,

Why would you be scouring Google, suspect search engine that it is according to some, to find anything, Huffington Post pap, to 'prove' gays are better? What is the point of that? You yourself suffer from researcher error and so do many of your claimed 'sources'.

Lets talk 2017.
What the body of research concludes, coincides unsurprisingly with what one might imagine, which is that there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that children generally fared better or worse depending on the sexual orientation of their parents. Or parent, lets not be excluding single fathers here, since fatherhood is often viewed in our society as inferior to motherhood (stereotyping to be found on OLO too).

There are other factors that are implicated in poor outcomes. Think poor family functioning, parental stress, child behavioural problems and so on. Indigenous children in Australia for example are more likely to be exposed to child neglect and so.
Posted by leoj, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 11:02:28 AM
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Big Nana,

Our posts crossed. I agree with your comments on what I call sloppy science. Which is usually rife with researcher error and other fatal flaws such as self-selecting gay parents being compared with the general population.

The way grants are allocated can encourage sloppy research. So too might setting up special departments such as gender (as in women) studies.

All that is known is that good parents are good. However good may well be even better where role modelling from both genders is reliably and continuously available. Maybe a gold standard can be anywhere form 9k to 24k and that is fine for a good start and support later.

Remembering too that the spectrum of families seen by some as 'evolved' and 'progressive' is relatively new and lacks numbers and history for study. That is why we should all sit up and pay attention where experienced carers and independent professionals with ethics and courage step forward to comment.
Posted by leoj, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 11:15:25 AM
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Dear Josephus,

What on earth is a Christian view of homosexuality? I have seen almost as much variance of views coming from the Christian community on this issue as in the wider population.

You get to claim your personal view is informed by your faith but you do not speak for all Christians at all.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 11:33:24 AM
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