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Interesting thing is that Jordon Steele-John, the likely successor to Ludlam, actually went to a great deal of trouble during the last election to ensure that he was indeed an Australian citizen. So if he could, why not the others?
Posted by GrahamY, Saturday, 22 July 2017 8:42:08 AM
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This pair have shown that they are either liars or incompetent.
As such we are much better off without them in parliament. As they are greens, it is highly probable their replacements will be no better. Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 22 July 2017 10:29:06 AM
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Why indeed didn't Ludlum and Waters renounce their
New Zealand and Canadian citizenships? Perhaps it is just possible that they are telling us the truth. That it did not occur to them to check on their relationship with a nation they left at a very young age and never knew. Perhaps they were genuinely oblivious to the fact that they had to,concentrating instead more on doing a good job as Senators for their electorates. We can speculate all we like on those issues. Of course some people are more interested in condemnation and punishment than in explanation. Explanations seem tantamount to sympathizing and excusing. I guess it will be up to the courts now to decide the answer to that question. Perhaps the courts will take into account the fact that both Senators thought that their Australian Citizenship and their Oath of Allegiance to Australia was enough proof of "national loyalty" and therefore acceptance of a place in our Parliament. We'll have to wait and see what develops. Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 22 July 2017 10:49:34 AM
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They are opposed to Australia as a separate nation, are all for 'Open Borders' and are all for the 'One World' government of the totalitarian International Socialists that would deny Australians any real say in their own affairs and destiny.
Previous Greens leader Bob Brown, who has been playing pirate on the High Seas with Sea Shepherd (who do get up to nasty things under the guise of 'being nice' to whales), proposed himself as the First President of the New World Order/Government. Just saying, where the Greens are already sworn to the goals of International Socialism (or worse!) and support 'One World' overlords ruling Australia instead, they would not be placing much value on the Australian Constitution anyhow. Australian citizenship wouldn't count for much either where they are concerned, except for the availability of 'Wonderful Centrelink' to attract the sort of 'diversity' they and grubs like Soros want to disrupt Australian culture and traditions, especially Australian Law and democratic institutions. The contempt for Australian culture and values and its democratic and legal inheritances is very strong among some here. Posted by leoj, Saturday, 22 July 2017 10:56:58 AM
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Section 44 (i).
"44. Any person who - (i.) Is under any acknowledgement of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power, or is a subject or a citizen or entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or citizen of a foreign power: or ...." In all this, spare a thought for those born overseas who cannot renounce their birth citizenship because the laws of their birth nation do not allow it; are they to be forever barred from public office? Then there are the Irish, who, if a parent or a grandparent was born in Ireland are automatically citizens of Ireland. How many MsP are affected by having relevant Irish ancestors? Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 22 July 2017 11:13:43 AM
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Is Mise,
From DoFA, http://www.dfa.ie/passports-citizenship/citizenship/how-do-i-renounce-my-citizenship/ "How do I renounce my citizenship? If you're an Irish citizen living abroad and you want to apply for citizenship of another country, you may need to renounce your Irish citizenship. renounce citizenship You can renounce your Irish citizenship if: You are over 18 years of age You live outside the State You are, or are about to become, a citizen of another country You need to: Complete a declaration of alienage form Get your declaration witnessed (there's a list of acceptable witnesses on your form) Submit your form to the Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service" Is there something else? Posted by leoj, Saturday, 22 July 2017 11:23:59 AM
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