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Theresa and Malcolm

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Theresa May's stupid early election and likely hung parliament has seen her described as “Malcolm Turnbull in skirts”. Both the fools could have hung on and had some chance at re-election, given the majorities they had given to them by previous leaders.

Unfortunately, these two losers are the new face of conservatism, or what passes for it these days.

A UK commentator aptly described these new conservatives by saying that they “are not conservative enough”. They have become “inauthentic” and “duplicitous”, and not trusted (by voters) to defend “their own backyards” let alone “Western civilisation”
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 10 June 2017 4:50:03 PM
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Malcolm was following Abbott's lead by going to a DD election. If it were not for pressure from the radical right it would not have happened.
The world has moved away from the conservative movement as a chaotic political party. Trump is well and truly in the firing line getting more intense every day.
Posted by doog, Monday, 12 June 2017 9:13:18 AM
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On the 'inability to protect their own back yards' comment, the UK has been spending 40 million pounds a year on a programme,which is similar to our pie-in-the-sky, de- -radicalisation nonsense.

We can see from the regular terror attacks how well that is working.

MI5 says that they are currently monitoring over 3,000 violent extremists who are loose on the streets, and they are 'keeping tabs' on 500 'active' cases, which is an increase of 50% since 2007.

And, what does Theresa May do about all this? She plays silly buggers and calls an early election and angers the constituency (as all unnecessary elections do) and almost loses it.

Brilliant tactics!
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 12 June 2017 11:19:31 AM
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No, ttbn, the polls indicated that if both May and Turnbull hung on any longer, then they would have decisively lost elections held at a later date.

<<We can see from the regular terror attacks how well [de-radicalisation programs are] working.>>

No, we can’t. How do you know the situation wouldn’t be worse without them?
Posted by AJ Philips, Monday, 12 June 2017 11:48:40 AM
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Polls re elections should be banned. They're often completely wrong, and all that ends up is that the country is run by polls.

Conservatives are not really conservatives anymore thanks to the likes of Turnbull..and Labor is definitely not the Labor of the past that were more for the tough working man and his family. Now they're more for the gays, and I include all the very boring and ridiculous gender swappers in that... the doleys and the bogans.
Posted by moonshine, Monday, 12 June 2017 12:42:56 PM
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moonshine,

I hear a lot of people claiming that polls aren't accurate (they're always right-wing, too, for some reason), and yet I can't remember the last time I saw polling that was shown to be wrong (I'm not saying it's never happened before, of course). Especially when they're consistent, or show a trend.

The polls before the British election predicted a hung parliament. The polling just before our last federal election also predicted the possibility of a hung parliament, and that was pretty close. I remember the polling just before our last federal hung parliament also predicting the possibility.

There's a reason politicians watch the polls like hawks, despite what they tell us.
Posted by AJ Philips, Monday, 12 June 2017 1:00:17 PM
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Abbott said he can win the next election and how much of that can you believe.
The polls are never far off the mark. Parties do their own polls as well.
Conservatism is a dead horse, and now she wants to join with communists to try and hang on.
Labor is alive and well and truly up to the task, at hand. Turnbull had to go labors way or go extinct.
The populous wants clean energy and Carbon costs, and so does industry. If you do not take notice of the people that pay your wages you will face extinction.
Fraudsters and liars have no place in politics.
Posted by doog, Monday, 12 June 2017 1:31:11 PM
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No, polls are often wrong. The big one I clearly remember were the 1994 federal elections when all polls said Howard wouldn't win. He did. Massively.
Then there was Trump. And Brexit. The British polls put David Cameron as losing that election...he didn't.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/13/new-research-general-election-polls-inaccurate
Posted by moonshine, Monday, 12 June 2017 1:57:01 PM
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Moonshine,

Yes. We all know that many polls are complete rubbish, but you have to be a special sort of numbskull to be a politician these days, and they just don't get it. You examples of Brexit and Trump are supreme examples.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 12 June 2017 2:22:29 PM
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Turnbull undermined and stabbed an elected pm in the back. May did not do that. To make comparisons at this stage is unfair. Hopefully Turnbull will again bring himself undone by again pushing an idiotic carbon tax. Can't believe the Liberals act so stupidly.
Posted by runner, Monday, 12 June 2017 2:33:30 PM
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Something I wasn't aware of: May used the same team Turnbull had to run the Coalition's campaign. I wonder how much work they will be getting in the future.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 12 June 2017 11:25:34 PM
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I don't know a great deal about Theresa May, but I do know she at least didn't stab the elected PM.

Turnbull turned the Libs into a laughing stock with his stabbing of Abbott, that was such a ridiculous Labor Rudd/Gillard deja vu moment, and he's done nothing to make us think he's anything but a complete fool ever since.
He has the most ridiculous mincing 2 bob stuck up his butt walk and the waffle that drips from his lips cannot be taken seriously.

I said goodbye to the Libs that day, and I sneer and change the channel everytime he comes on the telly, I used to do the same with Gillard.. even though, after reading all about Rudd and the Heiner Affair that goose wasn't PM material either.

Think I'll go the Drover's Dog next elections
Posted by moonshine, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 2:49:29 PM
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