Paul,

" The Howard Governments 'Children Overboard' lie is a classic example."

Just like the classic examples performed by the Greens on numerous occasions,

Dear ttbn,

There is plenty of information on the web.
All you have to do is Google it.

People who commit violent acts are not just
part of one particular political group.

We've had politicians engaged in political attacks
and vilifications of a previous female Prime Minister
that sent a sign to people on the conservative side
of politics that there's nothing too low, nothing
out of bounds, nothing that goes to far in personal
attacks. I'm talking about our former PM - Julia
Gillard.

You mentioned journalists? Alan Jones told his listeners
that our former PM Julia Gillard should be tied up in a
chaff bag taken to sea and dumped.

Sydney University's Liberal Club had a function which
featured an auction of a jacket made from a chaff bag.

And there's much more but I won't go into the details
here. You can Google all this stuff for yourself.

As for the the link I gave earlier - had you bothered to
read it you would have seen that the author was not
condoning the attack on Andrew Bolt.
On the contrary.

I can't understand why we're arguing here.
Nobody condones the attack on Mr Bolt.
The objections seem to be the claims of the Left/Right
finger-pointing regarding this incident. Some of us
are merely trying to maintain a balance here.

1. often Fascism. a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. The first two facists were Mussolini, Hitler, and then came guess who.

Hi Dorg,

Who, the leaders of China ? Your narrow definition of fascism seems to fit them, currently the most successful exponents of 'socialism' in the world ? Funny how cute definitions and the real world only overlap, they're not identical.

So which socialist regime has NOT morphed, sometimes very quickly, into some variant of fascism ? Even down to the nationalism and racism bit ? Pol Pot's Kampuchea ? Stalin and eastern Europe ? China and Tibet and Sinkiang ? Mengistu in Ethiopia ?

After all, when Finland and Poland declared their independence straight after the October Revolution, what did the Bolsheviks do ? Invade both, to bring them back into the old Tsarist Empire. Socialism seems to invariably mean imperialism, getting their old pre-revolutionary empires back, and the suppression of minorities in the name of national unity and socialist progress.

'Fascism means war', said Dimitrov, one of Stalin's victims. Do we have to wait for more evidence of the overlap between socialism and fascism ?

Conversely, supposedly-socialist regimes almost invariably continue on with their predecessors' imperialism. And strangely, when they are overthrown or are 'reformed', their successors (viz. Putin, Milosevic) just carry on with, or easily go back to (or try to go back to), imperialist policies. There is almost invariably so much overlap between revolutionary and pre-revolutionary imperialist polices, that it's difficult to see where one ends and the other begins. Isn't that so, Dorg ?

Joe

Fascism is a form of government which is a type of one-party dictatorship. Fascists are against democracy. They work for a totalitarian one-party state. ... Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government..
That is what the new far right mob should call it self.
The fascist party, instead of hiding behind something less descriptive.

Is Mise,
Those on the boat DID throw their children overboard.
Wouldn't you if you were on a boat being scuttled ?