Foxy,

A person that intentionally tells a lie is liar.

The first test is whether what Yasmin said, i.e that "Islam is the most feminist religions" was a lie. Given Islamic practices and the abundance of examples of the devaluation of women in core Islamic texts, this is patently false.

The second test is whether Yasmin could reasonably be expected to know what she said was bollocks. Given that she has undertaken a taxpayer funded "study" trip to learn about the subject, any claim of ignorance is untenable.

Therefore the claim that Yasmin is liar is more than reasonable.

leoj,

The rolled r comes up in so many languages.
You can hear it in various forms in Czech,
Thai, Hungarian, and of course Spanish,
Italian and Portugese. Yet it seems to be
something that evades native English speakers.

See you on another discussion old chap.

Dear Shadow Minister,

The question is did she intentionally lie -
or did she just say what she believes to be true.
Yes she did do a tour of those countries, however one
sees what one is shown, who one meets, what one
is presented with, as a guest.

I think it was
George Bernard Shaw who travelled to the Soviet
Union during Stalin's reign
and came back to England raving about how
wonderful it was. He had only been shown what they
wanted him to see. We are looking at Yassmin's
statements incredulously from our point of view.
All I am suggesting is - lets look at it from hers.

Waleed Aly's wife also echoed the same sort of
sentiments as Yassmin about Islam.

Anyway, I am merely expressing a different take on the
situation. I am certainly not agreeing with it.

I have nothing further to add to this discussion -
although I would appreciate it if personal insults
were left at the door of discussions in general.
Especially by advocates - (eg. leoj) -
who profess to be for "free speech."

cont'd ...

Dear Shadow Minister,

http://www.rbth.com/arts/literature/2016/07/26/bernard-shaw-i-cant-die-without-having-seen-the-ussr_615147

Foxy,

Those poor nuns must have been weeping with exasperation: thou shalt not tell wobblies and it is off for another twenty rounds of the Rosary for you.

Nice try at diverting the tread with your usual ad hominems, but very few here buy into that with you any more, choosing not to respond, and you are so skilled that you always win anyhow, even holding out for the last word.

Yassmin's hubris and wobblies have been revealed to the full glare of the publicity she swam in. How could someone so egotistical, superficial, so ignorant and so prone to picking 'blues' (she would have a fight in a phone booth!), ever be held up as a positive role model for girls?

Of course the ABC has many more like her. That is why the ABC has to be held accountable. But the simple truth is that the ABC doesn't have a role any more.

Foxy,

So you are going for the insanity plea?

Bernard Shaw is good comparison as a liar, as in 1930s Bernard Shaw was pilloried for being an apologist for the Soviet Union in the face of the clear evidence of politically based mass executions.

Yassmin is well educated and travelled, and with an engineering degree supposedly trained in analytical thinking, and clearly not stupid. Unless she has never read a newspaper in her 26yrs the plea of ignorance is beyond tenuous.