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I would like to suggest that the members of the tribunal that prevented the deportation of some very nasty Muslims give serious consideration to changing their names & leaving the country, very quickly, after our first Manchester event.

Where are these fools coming from.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 5:07:53 PM
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Re. such an event, it's not a question of if, but when.
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 24 May 2017 5:17:37 PM
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Meanwhile, our world leaders remain reactive, rather than, pro active. Perhaps we will be forced to wait until a world leader gets assasinated, what a pitty they just wont listen or even remove their rose coloured glasses.
Posted by rehctub, Wednesday, 24 May 2017 6:23:05 PM
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Some posters are living dangerously after the the ABC's self-indignant outrage fest on 'their' Drum. A foolish emotional satirical remark by someone from the leftists' despised QUADRANT has left the luvvies frothing at the mouth and calling for resignations and worse.

That silly remark on QUADRANT has the big, bad (absolutely ferocious actually) ABC journalists recoiling in fear apparently. The make-up artists and hairdressers who would otherwise never score a mention, least of all in the same breath as the ABC's celebrity journalists, were used to plump up the numbers of lets-pretend victims.

But watch for the many, re-runs of outrage that will be happening and the imminent thunder from 'their' ABC-protecting Media Watch.

If any imagined they had already seen the big news they are wrong, it is actually that unfortunate attempt at satire by that QUADRANT fellow.
Posted by leoj, Wednesday, 24 May 2017 6:48:57 PM
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See, that IS how it has to be done, several mentions of the hated QUADRANT and another just now to be going with and nothing said at all about any Islamist terrorist.

Yikes! Damnation! That has torn it. Edit it out! What a complete faux pas. Never, ever, mention the Islamist terrorists. Substitute, 'could have been a very loud balloon', 'might have been anyone', 'maybe it never happened' and 'we should wait for the results of the inquiry following the review of the previous inquiry'.
Posted by leoj, Wednesday, 24 May 2017 6:57:11 PM
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Rehctub,

The hardly even react these days.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 25 May 2017 10:10:06 AM
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lejoil That was a very destructive piece of writing and whoever did that needs strong action as to his motives, there are idiots in society that are capable of following up on such idiotic comments.
The ABC is a huge organization and a very necessary govt; institution. Whoever is the culprit should be no less than imprisoned. That is extreme public terrorism.
Posted by doog, Thursday, 25 May 2017 10:36:35 AM
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leoj,

Why are you so anti the ABC, its journalists, panelists,
and staff in general? You did say on another discussion
and I quote:

"I have never been and nor will I ever be a supporter
of any political party or lobby group. I am wedded
forever to freedom of speech."

Obviously from your posts not as far as the ABC is
concerned. Or for that matter anything else you disagree
with (Greens, Lefties, Labor, Emily Listers, Fabians,
and the band plays on).
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 25 May 2017 10:54:18 AM
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doog,

Specifically, what words were "very destructive", "extreme public terrorism" and warranted Imprisonment?
Posted by leoj, Thursday, 25 May 2017 11:00:54 AM
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Quadrant's editor-in-chief, Keith Windschuttle, has apologised to the ABC's managing director and promised to remove an article suggesting the Manchester bombing should have instead taken place at the national broad :

Absolute over the fence remarks, the nation is crawling with all sorts of freaks and idiots. That can take take suggestions to the extreme.
Posted by doog, Thursday, 25 May 2017 11:16:51 AM
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doog,

The apology was gracious and confidently expected by the ABC of the ethical and credible Quadrant. The whole article was withdrawn, which was generous to a fault. It is also censorship, because no-one gets to read the article.

So, specifically, what were the words that necessitated that and worse, were "very destructive", "extreme public terrorism" and warranted Imprisonment?

Maybe others can help you and also to explain how poor satire, though ill-timed, might be so threatening to those hardened ABC journalists? After all, where such serious offence ought result in a gaol term it is worth some explanation.
Posted by leoj, Thursday, 25 May 2017 1:28:39 PM
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' Absolute over the fence remarks, the nation is crawling with all sorts of freaks and idiots.'

stop watching Q&A doog and you will minnimise your exposure.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 25 May 2017 2:23:03 PM
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But the article was not removed until mid-morning on Thursday, more than 12 hours after Mr Windschuttle's apology.
The ABC has called in security experts to assess any possible impact flowing from the "inflammatory words", Ms Guthrie said. Communications Minister Mitch Fifield said the article was a "new low" in Australian public debate, labelling the comments "sick and unhinged"
Guthrie’s statement said:
Quadrant promotes itself as “the leading general intellectual journal of ideas”. Those words ring hollow in the wake of last night’s vicious and offensive attack on the ABC, its staff and its program guests.
To take issue with our programming and our content is one thing. But to express the wish that, if there were any justice, the horrific terrorist bombing in Manchester would have taken place in the ABC’s Ultimo studio and killed those assembled there is a new low in Australian public debate.
Your subsequent attempt to make amends by changing some of the wording (without acknowledging or apologizing for the original article) has done little to undo the damage. The article continues to state that if a blast occurred in one of our studios, none of the likely casualties “would have represented the slightest reduction in humanity’s intelligence, decency, empathy or honesty”.
Like many others, I am appalled at your willingness to turn an act of terrorism in the United Kingdom into a means of making a political point against those you disagree with.
The Australian’s associate editor, Chris Kenny, joined the debate about the article on Twitter, saying while the general argument was a worthwhile point of view, the line about the ABC was appalling.
Leo by his tone is quite happy with what was published as a political statement against the ABC. Normal people would find that attack on the ABC as Terrorism. There will be more to come from this.
Posted by doog, Thursday, 25 May 2017 3:10:12 PM
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I would of thought Deveny's comments on the need for the raping the young Irwin girl or even the abc's depiction of Abbott having sex with a dog might of caused a little outrage from the left. No instead someone who was a little unwise in showing the abc's stupidity in glossing and apologising over the dangers of an evil ideology produces such 'outrage'. So selective.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 25 May 2017 3:31:11 PM
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doog,

So, specifically, what were the words that necessitated that and worse, were "very destructive", "extreme public terrorism" and warranted Imprisonment?

Just quote the sentence or passage. So all can get a sense of what was so shocking.
Posted by leoj, Thursday, 25 May 2017 5:02:34 PM
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http://www.crikey.com.au/2017/05/24/quadrant-is-a-halway-house-for-the-politically-deranged/
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 25 May 2017 5:15:32 PM
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My apologies for the typo.

Here's the link again:

http://www.crikey.com.au/2017/05/24/quadrant-is-a-halfway-house-for-the-politically-deranged/
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 25 May 2017 5:22:07 PM
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There’s nothing like the possible collapse of your magazine to concentrate an editor’s mind wonderfully. Returning Quadrant editor Keith Windschuttle might have been willing to tough out the scandal arising from online editor Roger Franklin’s late-night first draft of history, in which he musedapprovingly about someone setting off a nail-and-bolt bomb in the Q&A studios. With both ABC boss Michelle Guthrie and Arts Minister Mitch Fifield condemning the post, and the original version referred to the AFP, Windschuttle had no choice but to cede ground, initially making clear that the article was indefensible:
Posted by doog, Friday, 26 May 2017 9:21:58 AM
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doog,

You seem to be saying that he intended to carry out a serious offence. Is that what you intend?

Or was it simply that his emotion and exasperation got the better of him and he made a tactless remark? -For which the editors and board have been quick and generous in apologising.

That is unlike the ABC where that awful 'woo-marn'(sic, her over-the-top pronunciation), seeking the approval of the tribal leftist 'Progressives', dumped on ANZAC Day and the ABC saw no reason at all to apologise.
Posted by leoj, Friday, 26 May 2017 2:16:19 PM
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Best you make up your own mind of what may have been the case.

There was nothing satirical about the quadrant “article”. It was vicious and demented. One suspects the writer may have been tired and emotional at the time of writing, which means that what was written is more likely to be an accurate exposure of his actual beliefs. What is it with these guys? They waste their time fulminating about the ABC, while people who disagree with the quadrant world view simply dismiss it as ravings, and get an occasional laugh out of it. [are you one of them]
No laughs on this occasion, though. That was madness.
Posted by doog, Friday, 26 May 2017 3:01:35 PM
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doog, "One suspects the writer may have been tired and emotional at the time of writing, which means that what was written is more likely to be an accurate exposure of his actual beliefs"

So you do believe he was intending to commit an offence?

Or would you encourage others to think so, while imagining you have slyly crafted yourself an escape clause, a back door, if challenged?

I put it to you that you are just interested in making political capital out of an emotional outburst. An emotional outburst that is part of the human condition. How often do (say) mothers in speech or writing in blogs and mags say in exasperation that they could choke their husband, or both he and 'his' screaming issue? These are cries of pain and frustration and often traceable back to those big existential problems that confront all of us.

What he said was tactless and rude. He should do better of course. That is why there are usually layers of editorial eyes watching, but the economies and urgency of online publishing do not allow for that.

Now you should be aware that the very same standards you might apply to him could be applied, or is that ARE being applied (as some current examples show) to YOUR social networking and blogging too. In fact, the President of the AHRC and someone you might favour, a highly qualified and experienced legal figure too, one Gillian Triggs, said that you had better be careful what you might say around your kitchen table too.

All should be taking that warning very seriously indeed coming from where it did. And no, it doesn't just apply to the 'other side' as you see it. Honestly the real Left of years gone by would weep at the stupidity and egocentrism of today's leftist 'Progressives'. How easily are they managed by the elite!

BTW, Anony-mouse isn't necessarily any protection either when they come looking for you. It is a digital world.

Your only protection and it is a slim one, is freedom of speech.

Trying to help..
Posted by leoj, Friday, 26 May 2017 3:47:42 PM
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THE Quadrant literary magazine thinks the Manchester bombing should have taken place in the ABC’s Sydney headquarters.
An opinion article written by digital editor Roger Franklin says that if there had been a “shred of justice” the Manchester bomber would have blown up Monday night’s Q&A panel instead.
Franklin is asserting that the lives of people who disagree with the rabid right don’t actually matter and their elimination in a brutal fashion would be no loss.
The Quadrant digital editor should be sacked for writing such a sick, cruel piece. So should its editor for allowing it to be published.
What a brutal, thoughtless and despicable taunt to issue on a day when the Lindt Café inquiry findings were handed down and people were still raw with shock and grief over what happened in Manchester.
Yesterday, when the matter came to light, Quadrant editor Keith Windschuttle said the article should not have been published and would be withdrawn.
But the article called “The Manchester Bomber’s ABC Pals” remained prominently displayed on the Quadrant’s website last night.
It has since been removed.
No rush to remove it ,not everybody has seen it yet I suppose.
Shut the filthy rag down.
Posted by doog, Friday, 26 May 2017 4:23:08 PM
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Frankly I am outraged that the taxpayer-funded ABC was outraged.

I am not so surprised that the ABC has got away with its grandstanding faux self-righteous outrage.

That is in view of the awful stranglehold of the systemic, outrageously (that word again!) censorious political correctness that, if Gillian Triggs the outgoing (but not soon enough!) President of the AHRC has her way, will have family members dobbing on one another for what is uttered around the kitchen table.

Where are the other editors? Where are the humanities Professors? Are they all asleep at the wheel?
Posted by leoj, Friday, 26 May 2017 4:23:56 PM
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Only the rabid right side of politics has trouble seeing an offense in that. They hate the ABC its not of their liking, they see no harm in what has been published.
I see that as a direct threat to the members of the ABC, and it should be treated as such.
They were in no hurry to take it down, That tells you that there is more than a journalist who were happy to leave it there.
No one should be faced with threats at a place of work.
The words were direct and not obscured in any way.
There was no double meaning for defense it was indefensible.
Posted by doog, Friday, 26 May 2017 4:45:12 PM
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the promotion of ' diversity' (except Christianity) that the abc and bbc has promoted has contributed to death of many islamic terrorist victims. Gutless politicians have allowed tax payer money to promote what is putried. Either to dumb or to blind to see the obvious. Dutton is 100% right about the gross culture of the socialist that add nothing our nation except to trash it. In my eyes their ideology is as bad as Islamic terrorism.
Posted by runner, Friday, 26 May 2017 4:53:20 PM
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The ABC's Managing Editor Michelle Guthrie has written
a letter of complaint to Quadrant describing Franklin's
piece as vicious and offensive.

"To take issue with our programming and our content is
one thing," she wrote, "But to express the wish that,
if there were any justice, the horrific terrorist bombing in
Manchester would have taken place in the BC's Ultimo studio and
killed those assembled there is a new low in Australian Public
debate.

Most Australians would agree except of course for those
who claim to be welded on supporters of "free speech."
Strange though how they attack people like Yassmin Abdel
Magied, who made her comments on a private Facebook
account that the ABC had nothing to with. Who apologised,
and deleted her comments.

I guess "free Speech" is selective for them.

Shame on them!
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 26 May 2017 5:00:56 PM
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Hi runner,

I agree. The whole concept of Islam is wrong on every single level and it both sickens and amazes me that our leaders (and others) can condone the nonsense it's based on...

I was shocked to read a few months ago, that both Sydney and Melbourne's Royal Hospitals have a special unit to fix up the hundreds of botched female genital mutilation cases that come their way every year.

I was saddened to read that there are over 200 cases of child marriages, some as young as 9..in Australia.
None of these facts cause a ripple in the media world, but let some clown spit on a muslim woman because they're offended by her burka..then all hell breaks loose and it's headline news.

I rarely heard of a muslim 20 years ago, now they dominate the world news, and not in a good way.
Posted by moonshine, Sunday, 28 May 2017 7:32:16 AM
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The extra $1.3billion compulsorily extracted from hardworking Aussie taxpayers every year is better spent on improving the digital access of the aged, people in remote areas and even people in poorer countries of strategic interest to Australia.

Why spend it on celebrity knobs like Tony Jones and provoking (make that scripting) Ultimo Hipster reactions to gays and Muslims?

The services that the national broadcaster prided itself in, are yesterday. The crest of the wave is well past and to keep up in the world, to educate themselves and to be able to reach out and communicate, Australians and especially the growing aged demographic, but most certainly youth too, must have access to and be confident in using for their daily lives, the full range of digital technology. Put the ABC's allocations into that.

The old hat 'national broadcaster' is not needed. It has nothing to do and is making a nuisance of itself in exercises in social activism.
Posted by leoj, Sunday, 28 May 2017 12:39:47 PM
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Perhaps Islam should be banned from any country that openly allows one to peacefully participate in the beliefs of Christianity.
Posted by rehctub, Sunday, 28 May 2017 7:42:49 PM
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All of those that rant and rave about the ABC, its easy to see they would not miss a minute of it. They know the lot.
ABC accountable to the govt of au. Its only the far right that has a problem with that.
Posted by doog, Monday, 29 May 2017 8:08:53 AM
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There is not a great deal about christianity that enthralls me either, but I do think it's been awhile since any church bothered to preach 'death to all non christians' which, from what one reads, goes on the mosques...there are serial killers and general crazies out there but not in the name of any particular religion, Islam seems to be the exception.

I'm not aware that christians were ever in favour of female genital mutilation, or whipping women for not covering up.

They did burn witches awhile ago but that seems to have stopped, hopefully the pedophilia will go the same way.
Posted by moonshine, Monday, 29 May 2017 1:11:41 PM
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The following link may be of interest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 29 May 2017 1:37:14 PM
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