870,000 NON-CITIZENS in Australia are claiming 15 billion a year in welfare benefits.

Apparently, Australia is one of the most generous countries in the OECD when it comes to hand outs to foreigners. These bludgers are not even Australian citizens! In most countries, people cannot go straight onto welfare without having worked in the country. In la la land, there is no bar to gaining the dole at all.

And we have a $500 billion debt!

This makes our continuing high immigration more ridiculous than ever. How on earth can it be a good idea to import people who don't have a job to come to? The only thing that I can think of is it allows governments to give a false impression of 'growth'; but it is a 'growth' that is costing established Australians big time- - making us individually poorer as immigration continues.

What proportion of those people went straight onto welfare? And what proportion are retirees who've worked here for years but just never bothered with the formalities of becoming citizens?

It's not our immigration rate that's ridiculous; it's our dumb obsession with the national debt. The government has unlimited credit, yet they (and you) are so spooked by the debt figure that they (and you) want to implement policies that will shrink the economy and make jobs even harder to find.

ttbn - Quote "870,000 NON-CITIZENS in Australia are claiming 15 billion a year in welfare benefits"

Where are these figures from?

If you have a source or link why not include it?

Dear Ttbn,

You obviously do not like welfare. Therefore you should not pay for it.

Let the welfare portion of taxes be voluntary: I will still happily pay my share, but you should feel free not to.

Story,

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/foreigners-living-in-australia-get-15-billion-a-year-in-welfare-payments-2017-5

Just to help, I may comment later.

PhilipS,

Today's Australian.

Yuyutsu,

I have no problem with welfare as long as it goes to Australians who have contributed to it.

These people are NOT refugees,and there is nothing in the report to say that they have contributed a brass Razoo to the Australian welfare pot, hence the comment that Australia is the only country where foreigners can access welfare without having first worked. Crazy stuff!

ttbn
"These people are NOT refugees,and there is nothing in the report to say that they have contributed a brass Razoo to the Australian welfare pot,"
But equally nothing to say they haven't, so be careful what you assume.

There is only ONE group to blame for this fiasco Politicians, they set the rules.

The silence from Turnbull and Shorten is not amusing.

Also one would think this is something Hanson would be all over.

Aidan,

You get more childish with every post. Let's just say that you disagree with everything I say, and leave it at that. I'm not going to bother with your inanities any more.

Dear ttbn,

You do need to provide evidence when making claims.
Opinions are not enough on discussion forums.
Otherwise your credibility suffers.

However he has given his evidence. It is in the newspaper reports, viz.,

"Foreigners living in Australia receive $15 billion a year in welfare payments, according to new analysis by the Parliamentary Budget Office.

The Australian reports that the 870,000 non-citizens who claim the benefits are mostly from Britain, New Zealand, Africa and the Middle East.

Of those non-citizens, 710,000 are from countries which have no social security agreement with Australia, and claim an average $17,500 each annually, or 83% of the $15 billion total.

Social security and welfare is currently at $158.6 billion but is expect to grow to $191 billion over the next three years.

Libera­l Democratic Party senator David Leyonhjelm, who requested the inquiry, said reducing welfare “will discourag­e those with poor job prospects from coming to Australia, and will build support for immig­ration within the Australian community”.

The analysis on the country’s social security system follows the Turnbull government’s crackdown on immigration with the 457 visas and citizenship test."

Now, where is your evidence to dispel those details?

leoj,

AFAIK nobody's dispelling the details. But ttbn seems to be assuming the claimants are people who have not worked in this country, whereas I suspect (though I don't assume) that many of them have worked in Australia for years and subsequently retired.

And for this reluctance to jump to conclusions, and my suggestion he exercise similar caution, ttbn trumpishly labels me childish!

The all knowing, all seeing the great LeoW with his "I may comment later" statement. eagerly awaited your pearly words of wisdom. Wow Leo. you have proved to be a major disappointment, I was expecting a thunderbolt or two, at least the usual anti Green tirade! What happened, all we got was a pussy cut and paste from Uncle Rupert. Disappointing Leo dissssssapointing.

Was the fact good white folk were included in the stats, not enough Muslims for a pot stiring Hansonite. The only thing worse than being a non citizen, is to be classed as a non person.

Absolutely correct Aidan, there are many of these so called non citizens who have worked for years in Australia and then retired here on the big welfare handout the Aged Pension. There are others who after a qualifying period, and are actively seeking employment, who also receive welfare.

Welcome to the club, joining me and numerous others on ttbn's, I'm not talking to you list. Frankly who cares.

There a few here that are stinging from Turnbulls massive shift to the left style budget. That could account for some stump pulling and going home early.

Of course, a huge proportion of that 870,000 would be immigrant workers who contributed all their working lives since the 1950s, but haven't bothered to take out citizenship.

But I'm puzzled how the average annual pay-out is around $ 17,240. Since the Age Pension is a lot less than that, how and why and who is getting a lot more than $ 17,240 ?

Joe

Foxy,

You obviously didn't pause to look where I did provide my source on request before you rushed in to tell me what I "need" to do. You "need" to look before you leap. Merely jumping at an opportunity to remonstrate with me is pretty futile, really; it adds nothing to the discussion, and smacks of a personal attack for no valid reason. In the meantime, I will decide what I need to do. I'm sure you do not allow others to decide your 'needs' for you, either.

As for providing evidence of everything I say, I really don't care care about it. I express opinions and make statements based on what I know. Anybody who wishes to take issue with me can always look up the same information I obtain.

Joe,

Are you sure that: “ a huge proportion of that 870,000 would be immigrant workers  ...”? I didn't notice any mention of that. Do you really think that, under our slack system, almost a million non-Australian bludgers could not be lurking out there, never having struck a blow for Australia?

The Age Pension was not an issue; that is available to Australian residents 10 years after arrival. I don't believe that Age Pensions were included as 'welfare' in this particular investigation.

Did you also note that Professor John Wanna said that “...a lot of people in Australia still vote who aren't citizens”. That information is as appalling has his bad grammar! And, if true, indicates that we do not have a clue what is going on behind our backs, thanks to our treacherous, corrupt politicians.
Think about it: foreigners having a say as to who runs (or tries to run) the country. Unbelievable!

I have emailed the Immigration Minister in an attempt to get to the bottom of that one.

I note, with some pride, that I have been promoted to "trumpishness' by the resident idiot, Aidan

Hi Ttbn,

Sorry, I meant immigrants who have been working to build Australia since the War. Those earlier migrants would have, or are about to, retire.

If retirees were not counted in that '$15 billion' allocation, and UB is barely $10,000, it's still puzzling where that huge amount goes. Centrelink bureaucrats ? '$ 15 billion over the next four years' ?

Some of the extra could be the rental assistance payment.

Joe,

Sorry, but I have to repeat: there was no indication that the any of the 870,000 are the people you describe who, indeed, did work and help build Australia. I believe the 870.000 people are people who should have no right to Australian welfare. Remember, we get 150 to 300 (depending on political whims) thousand immigrants coming here every year. There simply are not enough jobs for that many people.

I would imagine that most of these 870k non citizens are permanent residents of long standing. Without PR there is no welfare or medicare.

One of the worst points is the fact that of these people are from countries that do not give Australians the same benefits.
Namely England, India and Vietnam.

That fact alone should have Turnbull and Co asking questions.

Maybe it's the fault of the loosening up of the passport system, that
allows people to be dual citizens.

Now there are people living here and then over there and nobody knows
what the hells going on or where people are.

This was the fault of governments bowing to the pressure of people
who wanted dual citizenship.
It's a bit like the problems the free borders are now causing in Europe.

No accountability for the movements of people or what the heck they
are doing in your country, or is it back in their old country, fighting a war
with the other country they share dual citizenship with.
Just chaos, and non accountability.

Cherful,

I don't believe that dual citizenship should be allowed under any circumstances. Frankly, I would not trust a dual citizen as far as I could kick him/her. If you don't want to be Australian, don't come here.

CHERFUL - I could be wrong but don't think so, If they were Dual citizens that would have been stated or one would assume they would have used the Australian one to register not the foreign one.