Joe,

You can call me a racist if you like. It might give you some satisfaction, but it has no effect of me - so no harm done. I am also aware that your wife was an aboriginal lady, and that you might be hypersensitive in the area of race. However, I am unaware of any 'racist' remarks I have ever made with regard to aboriginal Australians.

Given the ignorance and lack of intellectual rigour of some OLO posters, I expected to be called a racist in due course. I regret that it is you who have resorted to the slur.

What you say about the African woman is all perfectly true. It's just a shame that you don't think that I have the right to object to it. I thought that we had a lot in common, Joe. I was clearly wrong.

ttbn,

Thanks for the example of the Moving the Goalposts fallacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts).

<<I am also aware that your wife was an aboriginal lady, and that you might be hypersensitive in the area of race. However, I am unaware of any 'racist' remarks I have ever made with regard to aboriginal Australians.>>

You have made some clearly racist remarks on this thread, so, in order to avoid the accusation and set a new standard for what constitutes 'racist', you suggest a sensitivity on Joe's behalf by bringing up his wife's aboriginality and then point out the fact that you have (supposedly) never said anything racists towards indigenous people.

You just keep stooping to new lows, don't you?

<<Given the ignorance and lack of intellectual rigour of some OLO posters, I expected to be called a racist in due course.>>

You can pull the wounded deer act all you like, but your are still, by definition, a racist.

Racist:
a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another. (http://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=define:racist)

Nathan,

Why did you feel the need to list things unique to Australia, and what is it you do not understand about my Anzac Day comments?

If you think that my language in relation to the woman in question was 'vile', you have led a sheltered life. 'Vile' in relation to what I said is massive overkill. Think of the death penalty for a parking offence, and you might understand what I mean.

I will not "reconsider" my position on this topic, if it's all the same to you; and I was amused by your withdrawal of my 'entitlement' to take the stance I have! You are good for a laugh on a dull Anzac Day, Nathan.

ttbn,

The reason I feel the need to write things unique to Australia, is that you don't seem to appreciate these. Many others take a more logical and very different stance.

Also your quote: <<In a multicultural, politically correct Australia, Anzac Day is now a sick joke and an insult those Australians who fought for what has been ripped off us by a nasty, Left elite, which stands for nothing.>>

All I am asking for you is to prove that! Alongside that, Anzac Day has absolutely nothing to do with this topic. So I honestly don't understand where the 'Anzac Day' element comes from. I mean we are talking about a Senator here, not Anzac Day - you can talk about that somewhere else on another post.

You also might like to pass that comment onto veterans or the RSL.

Also in relation to your 'vile' comment, various online dictionaries will provide details on that one. You can check these for yourself. One says: "of little worth or account" and this would easily apply to the Senator in regards to your comment where you say:

<<She is a totally unnecessary addition to Australia's population, and should not be a politician. We now have to even pay the useless woman because she is now a politician. I should not, and will not, look at her from a 'wider' (your) perspective.>>

I am not expecting you to reconsider your position on this topic and I totally agree with A.J Phillps that you are a racist. Your above comment proves that.

Finally, you still don't seem to have the courage to send the Senator a letter in the post do you? Why?

ttbn,

Your previous response to me on this thread indicates that you want to stay ignorant. Which prompts the question: why do you bother coming to this site? Is it that you're hoping to find a right wing echo chamber to reinforce your prejudices? You won't, because although the right dominate here, your racism is as abhorrent to them as it is to me.

As for the lemmings, their suicidal reputation is undeserved - it was the result of a Disney film crew chasing them off a cliff. Try going by facts instead of stereotypes!

There is only one GENUINE form of multiculturalism, and that involves everyone being free to determine their own culture. It is entirely a good thing.

However, there's a particularly insidious form of political correctness masquerading as multiculturalism, which has fooled many people (including, I think, most Europeans) into thinking it is multiculturalism (hence multiculturalism's unpopularity in Europe). This PC pseudomulticulturalism, which is even worse than monoculturalism, involves everyone keeping the culture they started with. Your comments about senator Gichuhi suggest you've also fallen for their lie.

Not being Muslims, neither of us is qualified to judge which of the interpretations of their (often self contradictory) scriptures is correct. But the fact that most Muslims condemn the ISIS view shows that they believe it to be twisted, and ultimately that's what counts.

As for your comments about Anzac Day, it was 1958 when The One Day of the Year was written. That's long before either multiculturalism or political correctness, and if a left elite existed in those days, it can't've been very effective!

Thanks AJ, I thought there was something dodgy about that comparison, so I'm glad it's got a name: 'Moving the Goalposts'.

Ttbn,

Senator Gichuhi is an Australian citizen. She is of Kenyan origin. Are you suggesting that someone with Kenyan origin cannot stand as a senator ? But someone of English origin (Tony Abbott, Mike Rann) or Welsh (Julia Gillard, Billy Hughes) or Nigerian (Sussan Ley) or Malaysian (Penny Wong) or Belgian (Matthias Cormann) or South African (Lynn Arnold) or Chilean (the early Prime Minister Chris Watson) or Scottish (Andrew Fisher) or Vietnamese (the current Governor of SA) can stand for any political office ?

If you say no to Senator Gichuhi, but yes to all the others, then your position is racist. There's really no two ways about it.

There are many Africans now in Australia: would you advocate that none of them can ever hold office, that they should forever stay 'out of' the system, that the political - and economic ? - systems should be limited for them ? Wouldn't it be far better to make much more effort to help them feel welcome and to speed their integration into Australian society as fellow-citizens and equal contributors ?

Joe