Dear Steele,

Thank You for the link.

I agree with you. It is a complex situation and one
that I'm not sure that this American President is
capable of resolving. I wish that the political
debate on this conflict would focus more not on how to
stay in it, but on how to get out of it, without
deserting the brave Syrian people.

What to do next, I really don't know.

Hi Steele,

I agree that, at first, " ..... first and foremost this has been a resistance movement against a tyrannical security apparatus."

But ISIS has surged since 2011. The various 'democratic' forces have been severely weakened. So, in a multiple-sided - mainly three-sided - conflict, the two major evils are the nationalist/fascist dictatorship of Assad, and the Islamist/fascist dictatorship of ISIS. Which is worse ? Even Trump is not stupid enough (I hope) to fight two enemies at once, with little presence on the ground and with only a Libya-like outcome possible at this stage.

So which 'worst enemy' should be fought first ? I've suggested for years that we hold our noses and try to destroy ISIS. First. What comes after is impossible to guess, but it's more than likely that ISIS will rise up again in some other guise, perhaps somehow worse than ISIS itself: fanatics rarely give up their ideology, but tend to become even more reactionary, fascist and insidious.

Of course, I would support strictly quarantined assaults on Assad's forces if they launch any more gas attacks on ordinary people, with such a response clearly linked to yet one more of Assad's atrocities. How that could be done without inciting the Russians or Iranians or Hezbollah is the difficult part.

Middle Eastern countries have usually been strong-centre/weak periphery states, so dictatorships, either by nationalists or Islamists, have always been far more likely than any push towards democracy. So democratic forces, defined loosely, but which I would certainly rather support, are almost bound to be the weakest of the three forces. That's the reality.

So which of the two evils do 'we' leave alone for the time being ? It's a horrible choice for any military power wanting to get involved to support the people in some way. But they all have to make it.

Cheers,

Joe

Foxy & Joe,
There does not seem to be a solution in sight.
One side is backed by Iran and the other by Saudi Arabia.
This war has been on since Mohommad died.
The conflict has dragged on because the people who could and indeed
have the responsibility to settle it have deserted the country.

I refer of course to the million of young men who fled to Europe.
I cannot say I blame them as I would not risk my life for a ME country.
However, it is their homeland and their families are there.

All the west should do is rescue the groups under risk such as
Christians, Yazidies etc and send back those men who left.
The west has tried everything, all to no avail and it is now time to
tell the people of the middle east, sink or swim !

Dear Bazz,

If only the US and the UN could get the Russians
on side. If they all worked together perhaps
this conflict could be resolved. However, whatever
the UN and the US suggest the Russians block so
currently there's an impasse.

Loudmouth: So, in a multiple-sided - mainly three-sided - conflict, the two major evils are the nationalist/fascist dictatorship of Assad, and the Islamist/fascist dictatorship of ISIS. Which is worse ?

You forgot to mention the Islamist/Dictatorship of the numerous Rebel Factions who are fighting each other. They are a just a big a danger to the rest of the World as ISIS.

Actually, thinking about it, Assad had to be Fascist to keep the peace in Syria's various Religious factions & theirs lots of them, Sunni, Shia, Druse, Alawati, The Twirlie ones, Yarzies, Syrian Christians & a few others. Keeping them from killing one another would take a very strong man. That's most likely why his Security Forces were not liked by the Islamists for that very reason.

Loudmouth: So which of the two evils do 'we' leave alone for the time being ?

Well I for one, would concentrate on ISIS in the North & illuminate that threat to the World. Leave the Russians & Assad to the Rebels. When the S#!t is over then there needs to be a big, Big reshuffle of the Middle East by the Middle Eastern peoples alone. Let the West & Russia stay out of the whole Meeting. It would mean completely new Boundaries for all the Countries involved. This should have happened after WW1. It didn't because, as Laurence explains in the "Seven Pillars of Wisdom," "Arab pride." Everybody wanted to be in charge, each tribe thought they were better than other Tribe & the Conference broke down & let the Westerners carve the Land up to suit themselves. Look how that's played out. That 1918 Conference should be given another go. It'll never happen.

Foxy: I refer of course to the million of young men who fled to Europe.

These young men have the sole intention of imposing Islam & Shari'a Law on the West. That is the entire goal of this invasion. They have stated that many times.

You're deluding yourself with Gulf States propaganda SteeleRedux.
The story seeks to gain your support for their point of view by making you want to 'react with emotion' rather than to use your brain and think logically or rationally.

'React with emotion' is manipulation and justification to 'Act against Assad'

Why do you think they plaster dead or dying kids across the TV from Syria, but they won't show you the dead kids the immigrant in Sweden deliberately ran over?

(Which is another story I could char grill all the delutional left on but we'll leave that for now...
Actually 'No'; how many of the looney liberal left care to admit they were wrong on Sweden and Islam? No, of course not... crawl away and hide like cockroaches.)

Those dead kids are the 'Sale of an Agenda'.
They are selling you something, manipulating you, it's like advertising.

Sweden and the Globalists don't want you to know they have an immigrant / Islam problem.
But they do want your complicity to allow them to act in regards to Assad.

You should try to break the conditioning:
'Won't Somebody Please Think of the Children'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RybNI0KB1bg
Play it over several times, and remind yourself you're just being manipulated.

They won't tell you that the rebels kill far more innocents than Assad does or speak logic and remind you Assad wouldn't still be in power if his own people didn't support him.
They won't tell you the about the kids being exploited to the Gulf States for sex trafficking and organ harvesting.
They won't openly tell you the US deliberately was conducting regime change using Islamic extremists they themselves armed.
They (the West) won't tell you they themselves trained the rebels in the use of chemical weapons.
And they won't tell you they had a deliberate plan to oust Assad by false flag 'blaming him for the use of said chemical weapons'.

Here's an article you shouldn't miss.
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/04/28/seymour-hersh-hillary-approved-sending-libya-sarin-syrian-rebels.html