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'Truth' rules

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Thanks to Trump, we may now have new rules on what constitutes 'truth':

1. If I'm fairly certain that something happened, then it happened.

2. It somebody could have done something, then it's very likely that they did.

3. If somebody had a motive for doing somethinng, they probably did.

There you go: either Trump came up with the suspicion, or dreamt it (it happens) that Obama misused his office to try to bring Trump down; OR Obama could have, OR he probably wanted to, THEREFORE, if you put all that together, it's obvious that Obama had Trump's offices wire-tapped.

This new way to establish 'truth' opens up many exciting avenues for OLO posters:

* if you suspect something has happened, you won't need anything as mundane as proof, you already KNOW it's true;

* if someone has a different opinion to yours, then clearly they are not only wrong, and have all manner of ulterior motives, but they hate you, so you can attack them with no need to use anything like evidence;

But other avenues open up: clearly, Trump believes that, armed with the 'truth', he will be immune to prosecution for besmirching the name of a former President, the former head of the FBI, etc., etc.
So no matter what you 'know' of someone else, you are probably right to attack them any way you can. After all, they're playing dirty, so you can too.

Welcome to the playground.
Posted by Loudmouth, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 10:14:33 AM
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You forgot.

If there is proof he has done it to others he probably would do it especially if he thought you were a threat to his power.

Here’s the List: More Than a Dozen Proven Victims of Obama’s Many Wiretaps
https://wikileaks.org/nsa-201602/

WikiLeaks released the following list on February 23rd (see link here) of Obama Administration wire taps:

* The US National Security Agency bugged a private climate change strategy meeting; between UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon and German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Berlin;
* Obama bugged Chief of Staff of UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) for long term interception targetting his Swiss phone;
* Obama singled out the Director of the Rules Division of the World Trade Organisation (WTO), Johann Human, and targetted his Swiss phone for long term interception;
* Obama stole sensitive Italian diplomatic cables detailing how Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu implored Italy’s Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi to help patch up his relationship with US President Barack Obama, who was refusing to talk to Netanyahu;
* Obama intercepted top EU and Japanese trade ministers discussing their secret strategy and red lines to stop the US “extort[ing]” them at the WTO Doha arounds (the talks subsequently collapsed);
* Obama explicitly targeted five other top EU economic officials for long term interception, including their French, Austrian and Belgium phone numbers;
* Obama explicitly targetted the phones of Italy’s ambassador to NATO and other top Italian officials for long term interception; and
* Obama intercepted details of a critical private meeting between then French president Nicolas Sarkozy, Merkel and Berluscon, where the latter was told the Italian banking system was ready to “pop like a cork”.
Posted by Philip S, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 10:43:21 AM
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Continued.

In addition to the above list we also know now that Obama wire tapped various individuals in the US media that were reporting information not flattering to the Obama Administration. It is widely known that Obama’s Justice Department targeted journalists with wiretaps in 2013:

* In 2013 the liberal Washington Post expressed outrage after the revelation that the Justice Department had investigated the newsgathering activities of a Fox News reporter as a potential crime in a probe of classified leaks. The reporter, Fox News’ James Rosen and his family, were part of an investigation into government officials anonymously leaking information to journalists. Rosen was not charged but his movements and actions were tracked.
* Also in 2013, members of the Associated Press were also a target of the surveillance. The ultra liberal New Yorker even noted that “In moderate and liberal circles, at least, the phone-records scandal, partly because it involves the dear old A.P. and partly because it raises anew the specter of Big Brother, may well present the most serious threat to Obama’s reputation.”
* Reporter Sharyl Attkisson said in 2014 that her personal computer and CBS laptop were hacked after she began filing stories about Benghazi that were unflattering to the Obama administration. A source who checked her laptop said the hacker used spyware “proprietary to a government agency,” according to an article in the New York Post.

Update – WikiLeaks tweeted overnight that the Obama Administration spied on their journalists as well:
Posted by Philip S, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 10:44:04 AM
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The New York Daily News tells us that "Here's the
difference between fake news and real news reporting.
If you're a reporter for a legitimate news organisation
and you use bogus information from unsubstantiated or
fake sources, you get fired."

"If you're a candidate for President and you use bogus
information from unsubstantiated or fake sources you
get elected."

The paper goes on to tell us that President Trump, however,
who rails constantly against "fake news" went on another
Twitter rant claiming former President Obama had Trump
Tower wire-tapped. Trump's information appears to have
come from a Breitbart News report being circulated among
White House staff of a broadcast by conservative radio
host Mark Levin. The paper tells us that "Too bad
the Breitbart report reads like an indictment of Trump
associates cosiness with the Russians and ends with the
targeting of Attorney General Jeff Sessions for his
undisclosed meetings with Russian ambassador Sergey
Kislyak - a top Russian spy and recruiter - as reported
by CNN".
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 10:58:25 AM
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Hi Phillip,

So are you suggesting that the CIA, FBI, NSA, the Justice Department, perhaps the military and Homeland Security and various other agencies, received permission from a range of state and federal courts to tap those phones at the behest of President Obama ?

This could get interesting: Obama is a lawyer, with access to many other specialised legal firms and human rights agencies, and he's cashed-up from his book deal.

I'm anticipating a joint suit against Trump lodged by Obama, Clapper, Comey, and many others, perhaps even some state and federal government agencies. Yes, Trump might go down in history all right.

Cheers,

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 11:14:57 AM
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The only thing that the Posts tell me is that all Politicians "spy & Lie" for the bigger things "we" are not supposed to know about. This Includes our Politicians. Nothing new here. Loudmouths right.
Posted by Jayb, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 11:16:35 AM
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