Foxy,

There was only a very remote time in our past when there were no laws, whenever a group of people join together they make laws to regulate their group.
Yuyutsu's world would be one of rapine and murder and heft where the strongest would prevail over the rest, and you are going to give this weird view consideration?
Yuyutsu is in favour of unlimited gun ownership, and other offensive weapons; at least in such a world one would be able to defend one's self without fear of retribution from the law.

Does Switzerland have something useful?
It's prison rate is 83 in 1000,000.
Australia has about 200 ( one quarter being Aboriginal) so 150 Europeans etc.
Spain 148.
Germany doesn't have much crime because they have laws against it....
90 ( one third being foreign) so about 60.
The larger size of Germany doesn't seem to make it worse than small Switzerland. UK is about the same as European Australia but Japan has 60 like Germany. The worst is America First at 724. On this basis , it seems Great Democracy isn't great.

Dear Is Mise,

Various opinions can be considered that does
not necessarily mean that they will be adopted.
Part of a discussion forum is hearing everyone's
point of view - isn't it?

Is Mise, glad to see you are coming around to my way of thinking on guns. you have a way to go, but next thing you know, you will probably agree with a law that prohibits children under 5 playing with loaded guns unless supervised, and defiantly no automatic weapons in the school yard during recess, lunch time only.

If we didn't trade with Mars, where would we get our supply of 'Mars Bars' from ...Pluto? We trade 'Earth Bars' for 'Mars Bars'. Don't you know anything.

Paul,

Lunch time is a recess, don't you know anything?

Dear Nick,

Of course, smaller states are not a complete solution on their own. One vital element that was missing in your examples, is that you must be able to leave if unhappy. Once a state sees that its best citizens are leaving in droves to neighbouring states where individual/group freedoms are more respected, then it will try to mend its ways. Such competition over freedom does not exist when one big state spans a whole continent.

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Dear Is Mise,

«Yuyutsu is in favour of unlimited gun ownership»

UNLESS OTHERWISE AGREED.

Once you agree to participate in a society, you need to follow its constitution, which could possibly include the ability of that society to limit your gun ownership, whether by means of laws or by some other means - why not?

The problem with existing states/societies is that they never sought the permission of the people who live in its claimed territory to be included in that society and be subjected to its constitution.