I don't see what all the fuss is about with these people because one, they are in a much better place than where they come from, and two, they arrived ILLEGALLY, and therefore have no rights.

Meanwhile, we have our very own pensioners, having worked all their lives, paid their taxes, educated their children, secured their futures now being told 'you're on your own' because we are forced to cut you off.

We are forced to do this because we don't have the funds to provide for everything you were promised and looking after the welfare of these ILLEGALS is a priority, this being despite the fact that you have worked hard and contributed all your working life.

Of cause, the main offender in all this, Kevin Rudd is happily going about his business, knowing that despite his monumental 'stuff up' he will be supported from the very funds that the pensioners have been denied axcess to, despit having contributed all their working lives.

And the lefties wonder why Pauline is gaining popularity. Go figure!

Bugsy,

I don't think that you are the person to be calling others 'morons'.

Rehctub,

Well said. Australian politiicans and the Left have their priorities very, very wrong.

Hey ttbn,
You may be right about chooks coming home to roost.
Turnbull might've cost the country a great deal with this refugee escapade with Obama. He's played right into Trumps hands with what he did and he may have committed us to wars.

He's played right into Trumps hands, whether deliberately or not.
Because doing the deal with Obama knowing full well Trump would oppose it created a situation where Trump could create a new deal, knowing full well Mal would look like a bit of a dill if he backed away.

I'm seeing red flags in Trumps foreign policy.
First it was Tillerson's comments about Crimea, next his talk of safe zones in Syria, and his statements towards China regards preventing them from using islands in the South China Sea; and now finally it's these statements against Iran.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/11/rex-tillerson-us-response-russia-crimea-seizure-wa/

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/trumps-safe-zones-syria-refugees-world-war-2017-1?r=US&IR=T

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/12/politics/china-tillerson/

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/02/03/statement-national-security-advisor-michael-t-flynn-iran

The Iran statements are particularly concerning because taking them down has been part of a larger neoconservative strategy all along, outlined by Wesley Clark in 2001.
http://youtu.be/9RC1Mepk_Sw

Even worse the whole scenario which has happened in the nearly 2 years since the Iran nuclear deal is outlined completely in a 2009 white paper from the Brookings Institute.
The whole Iran Deal may be part of a planned strategy to take them down.

And here's the link to that article.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-betrays-iran-deal-as-predicted-edges-closer-to-war/5572348

Really recommend listening to at least the first 5 to 10 minutes of yesterdays what really happened radio show. He's got his wife on in the final hour on Friday so its fairly easy listening. She makes some excellent points.
http://www.republicbroadcastingarchives.org/what-really-happened-with-michael-rivero-february-3-2017-hour-3/

So, Malcolm may have signed us on to who-knows-what.
Also my earlier speech about buying a car and making the first offer low and insulting and then negotiating back does follow with Trumps apparent negotiating style, confirmed in his book 'The Art of the Deal'.

Some say Trump's merely 'walking the walk and talking the talk' until after his cabinet appointees have had their senate confirmation; but I'm not convinced...

Sorry for the MSM links; but I'm pretty sure Tillerson made those statements.

rehctub,

"I don't see what all the fuss is about with these people because one, they are in a much better place than where they come from,"
Dubious. At most they're in a much safer place, but when we've robbed them of the ability to shape their own future, we can't truthfully call it much better. And we now know it's not even as safe as we originally thought.

"and two, they arrived ILLEGALLY, and therefore have no rights."
Spoken like a Khmer Rouge commander!

Aside from the fact that even criminals have rights, It is not illegal to arrive in Australia. And seeking asylum is legal regardless of whether the normal arrival procedures have been followed.

"Meanwhile, we have our very own pensioners, having worked all their lives, paid their taxes, educated their children, secured their futures now being told 'you're on your own' because we are forced to cut you off."
Which is of course a lie. The politician's aren't forced to cut anyone off; they choose to. Most people have fallen for the meme that it's intrinsically good for the government to run a surplus, and neither party dares challenge that myth. But in reality, running a surplus just means the government take more money out of the economy than they put in. In the current economic circumstances, a bigger deficit is a far more responsible outcome, and a surplus is unachievable because trying to reach one shrinks the economy.

And the cost of keeping boat people in offshore detention dwarfs the cost of looking after their welfare.

Kevin Rudd did indeed stuff up, failing to provide a safe way for refugees to reach Australia. And recently it was pointed out that Australia's discrimination against refugees extended to barring people coming here on student visas from places where there was a lot of persecution. So is it any wonder people had to resort to risking their lives trying to get here on unseaworthy boats?

No, not copping it, tired of all these bloody lies...

Aiden,
You call them 'asylum seekers'.
So lets all be realistic for just 1 minute hey?
Most of them are from Iran and Afghanistan aren't they?

Why don't you pull up a map.
You do know how to access online maps don't you?
If not just type 'google maps' into the 'google' searchpage and it will come up, its really easy; you should try it if you haven't already done so.

Now look at the map and find the large country called 'Iran', can you find it?
Now look at that big country of ours called 'Australia'
In case you didn't notice its about 7700klms (as the crow flies) from Iran to Australia.
I'd assume the distance os somewhat further by boat.
In case you haven;t yet picked up on this important fact, there happens to be many other countries on the way:
Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka (following the coast) Bangladesh, Myanmar, Thailand, Malaysia, and finally Indonesia.

Well now it's 'Fun Facts Time'.
Did you by chance happen to know that Indonesia is the worlds fourth most populous country? and get this (it's a really important fact) it's actually a Muslim Majority country.
No kidding hey.

Now think about that for a second or two.
Why on earth would a person want to travel thousands of kilometers extra, skipping a Muslim majority country to go and live with so-called racist infidels?

- If they we're fleeing persecution in PNG or Indonesia; then 'refugee' could be valid.
These people may have started off as refugees when they set sail, but at some point in the journey they became economic migrants; and that was long before they got anywhere near our waters.

You're welcome to stick up for the 'economic migrants' all you want, but don't sell us a false narrative; there's more than enough of that crap already these days that we're all literally drowning in it.

Arm Chair, Aidan doesn't allow the truth to get in the way of a good stary. But well said anyway.