The National Forum   Donate   Your Account   On Line Opinion   Forum   Blogs   Polling   About   
The Forum - On Line Opinion's article discussion area



Syndicate
RSS/XML


RSS 2.0

Main Articles General

Sign In      Register

The Forum > General Discussion > A New Australia Day

A New Australia Day

  1. Pages:
  2. 1
  3. 2
  4. 3
  5. ...
  6. 6
  7. 7
  8. 8
  9. Page 9
  10. 10
  11. 11
  12. 12
  13. 13
  14. 14
  15. 15
  16. All
Aidan
FYI, ITYF the first google is this:
Journey and landing - The Anzacs of Gallipoli
www.anzacsofgallipoli.com/journey-and-landing.html
The boat touched bottom some thirty yards from the shore so we had to jump out and wade into the beach.. ... We all ran for our lives over the strip of beach and got into the scrub and bush. ... place: some writhing in their last agonies; others with their life blood oozing out.”

You are probably thinking of the First Fleet 1788 where British blood and bone filled Sydney Cove and polluted the whales.
Posted by nicknamenick, Tuesday, 31 January 2017 10:11:53 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
'invasion day' Which leftie benefited from thinking up such a dishonest description of the first fleet arriving? And now the dumbed down crowd just follow suite.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 31 January 2017 10:16:55 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Hi Joe, good to speak again, yes to this day it is a moot point with many. Did the Maori cede sovereignty to the British as defined in the wording of the English version of the Treaty of Waitangi, or governance as defined in the Maori version. The Chiefs generally could not read English, and most signed the Maori version. It has been debated for more than 150 years. Even men of good will do not always get it right.
As per our last discussion on a treaty, I am still ambivalent about that. I agree the focus should be on reconciliation. remembering the past, but looking to the future.
The Ngapuhi cover about one third of all Maori, and were allied with the British. My partner remembers stories as a child of past raiding parties to The Waikato to capture women. Other tribes had a lot to fear from the Ngapuhi.

Leo, you obviously have never attended the annual Waitangi Festival at 'Holroyd Gardens' Merrylands, If you think it is some political gathering or whatever you think it is, you are wrong. Cultural displays, singing dancing etc, food stalls, goods for sale, and lots more. Come along if you can, you may enjoy yourself, but that might be asking too much, for a you know who.. Entry is by gold coin.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 31 January 2017 10:54:56 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
The post office , Sydney airport, Comonwealth bank and Manus Island leisure resorts and open air barbies are privatised . The US is also following this trend begun by Maoris who sub-contracted the prime minister job to Scottish shepherds and whale researchers . They have done useful work which freed the Maori to expand their horizons.
Posted by nicknamenick, Tuesday, 31 January 2017 11:29:54 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
I Paul,

The NgaPuhi allies of the British ? Perhaps not when Hone Heke cut down the flag-pole ? Even less so, the second time ?

[We may be related: my brother married a NgaPuhi woman from Parakao, and has two beautiful daughters.]

BTT: My limited understanding is that the Treaty was signed by groups under threat from other, more powerful, Maori groups such as Te Rauparaha's, perhaps the Ngati Kahungunu and, forgive me, the NgaPuhi. They were anxious for British protection and prepared to recognise Victoria as their formal Head, i.e. British sovereignty, if it meant British protection of their lands. There was very likely a lot of misunderstanding about the equivalence of the hybrid word 'kawanatanga' - 'government (?)', and the Maori 'rangatiratanga' ('paramountcy'?)

So what such a 'treaty' would mean in 2017 for Indigenous Australians is a mystery. And yet another pointless chase down rabbit burrows.

Cheers,

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Tuesday, 31 January 2017 11:46:48 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Paul1405,

May the festival continue without political stirrers like the Greens Eastern Bloc trying to politicise it for their own ends.
Posted by leoj, Tuesday, 31 January 2017 12:10:55 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
  1. Pages:
  2. 1
  3. 2
  4. 3
  5. ...
  6. 6
  7. 7
  8. 8
  9. Page 9
  10. 10
  11. 11
  12. 12
  13. 13
  14. 14
  15. 15
  16. All

About Us :: Search :: Discuss :: Feedback :: Legals :: Privacy