Interesting article.

Victorian children committing serious crimes referred to Border Force for deportation.
A number of overseas-born children who have committed serious crimes in Victoria have been referred to Border Force for potential deportation, Victoria Police has said.
A spokesperson said Victoria Police had an established process for referring criminals who met requirements for visa cancellations under the Migration Act to Border Force.

A number of adult offenders had already been deported, the spokesperson said, adding that alleged Apex gang associates and offenders under 18 were among those referred.

"The referral of children under 18 years of age will only occur in exceptional circumstances, however Victoria Police has made some referrals in respect to that age group for consideration," the spokesperson said.

Also
Immigration Minister Peter Dutton said while the Federal Government did not currently deport children, a parliamentary committee was considering whether the law could be amended to permit the deportation of people under 18.

"This is one of things that [Federal MP] Jason Woods' committee is having a look at at the moment: whether, for example, the bar could be lowered from 18 to 17 or 16, or whatever the case might be," he told 3AW radio.

"But we don't deport children. We try and work with families through difficulties. (That is not working as most are repeat offenders)

Above is only part of the article. follow link

www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-19/child-criminals-referred-to-border-force-for-deportation/8193344

It is about time it is a nearly a daily issue in Victoria, youth mostly violent or gang related crimes committed by young offenders.

The advocates are already lining up as the last sentence in the story says.

Sorry about the link try copy and paste.

www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-19/child-criminals-referred-to-border-force-for-deportation/8193344

"We try to work with families, but it's not working". So, why persist with something that doesn't work? Get rid of them. The sooner the better. Australian authorities have no business allowing foreign criminals to stay in Australia.

There were articles a while back where some parents were sending the kids back to where they came from, so much for fear for life refugees.

The most sensible thing would be not to import them in the first place.
For years we have known of groups of immigrants/refugees that will not integrate and yet we continue to allow them to come here. If any group has shown they have contempt for our laws and social norms then we simply stop allowing them to come here.

For example there are those who practice FGM and forced underage marriage. These groups should be denied entry to our society. Not only is the practices against our laws, it is a cost burden on the state as well.

If we really want to stop these alien practices, then denial of entry is the only way to go. Giving those few that are prosecuted a suspended sentence only is an encouragement award.

Philip,

Are the "refugees" to whom to you refer by any chance Africans sending their kids from here to Uganda (or some such charming place) to school to learn manners and respect for their parents? The mother I saw on TV making these arrangements believed that her/their kids had lost their traditional respect for the parents and elders since arriving in Australia. I am inclined to believe her. Our kids are certainly no longer examples of how young people should behave.

Of course, the ratbags who believe that all cultures are equal have got it badly wrong with Africans, most of whom come from rural, tribal backgrounds where families and respect for elders is paramount.

I saw an article recently where a 'dying' country town (Australian) had asked if they could have some African people to live among them, using the empty housing, and performing seasonal work to supplement their welfare payments, and try to get things back on track, Africans starting up little farms, which was in there background. Oh, no! shreiked the know nothings. Refugees need the support available in the city.

Anyhow, the locals and the Africans got around this stupidity, and some African families have moved to the country, away from unfamiliar cities and temptations for the young. It's early days, but at the very worst, these people can be no worse off, and they will be among real Australians with common sense and humanity.

As long as we have morons for politicians and public servants, the more ordinary people we need in places like Woop Woop.

An interesting development. If you want an example of how it goes with
larger immigrant numbers have a look at this;

https://gatestone.eu/sweden-model/

Perhaps the Australian army should send some soldiers to Sweden for training.

ttbn - Correct it was the Africans, the parents wanted them away from the Apex gang.

Bazz - Saw that one most people except senior politicians can't or don't want to see there is a problem when it is staring them in the face, Also politicians demanding police stop reporting refugee crimes.

SWEDEN CRUMBLING: Demands for military intervention as thugs turn Malmo into 'no-go zone'

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/755997/Sweden-Malmo-military-intervention-no-go-zone-crime-surge

Oh great...
First it was the Bastille Bastard, then the Berlin Bastard...
Now we have our own Bourke St Bastard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V5evwIFNF8

From my understanding youth crime has been a
major concern for Victoria for some time with
the Victorian State Government announcing a stack of
measures including more police and new offences
to tackle the problem. I don't believe that the
state is referring young people for small minor
offences to be deported. It's only for very
serious offences and of course they won't allow
the young people to go back into areas where they will
be at risk.

The threat of deportation will send a very strong message
to offenders, including those associated with gangs
such as Apex.

Major incident in Melbourne. Police say not terrorist related
No further threat to public. Reports of 3 dead and 20 injured. Thoughts are with the injured and families

More info on the hour from police.

I'm sure the last report I read says that of the latest three Apex gang members to be deported, two were from New Zealand.

From media.

Four men linked to the local so-called Apex gang have had their visas cancelled after being convicted of crimes in Victoria, including 19-year-olds New Zealander Henry Robati and Sudanese Isacc Gatkouth.

Does anyone know the criteria for deportation of a non citizen? I thought it was pretty weak. It may have changed but was being sentenced to 2 years or more in jail, for a permanent resident.

I recall years ago a bloke was jailed for drug dealing and was to be deported. He took it to court on the grounds that he had fathered a child while here. The court agreed that we should not deprive the child of a father and allowed him to stay. I do not think he even had to provide proof that he was in fact the father.

My view was that the child would be better off without such a father

The Somalis have been a problem in Melbourne but they have not been
as bad in Sydney. Not saying they are law abiding but there have been
a few home invasions and bashings. The news reports do not report that
the offenders were Somalis, you have to read between the lines and
watch any TV closely.
We do suffer the censorship that was applied in Victoria.
In Germany and Sweden they refuse to release conviction statistics.
In Germany you can be prosecuted for making statements about it.
There was a case recently of police raiding a house of someone who
made a Facebook comment. It was, as the article said, a typical Nazi
like operation.
The real crunch was that one of investigators was an ex Stasi agent !
Hitler meet Stalin !

Continued:
I found the article again.

http://gatestone.eu/sweden-migrants-study/

Note this even members of parliament cannot get the statistics !
That is disgraceful the madmen really do run the asylum.

Banjo - big difference between media compare what you see in Australian MSM and this.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/756617/Melbourne-police-crash-suspect-Australian-Dimitrious-Gargasoulas-26

BREAKING: Melbourne 'attacker' NAMED as ‘Islamic' who 'knows how to take you dogs down'

THE suspect in the Melbourne car attack has been named as Greek Australian Dimitrious Gargasoulas who has called himself an "Islamic" who "knows how to take you dogs down

EXTRACTS from article
On a Facebook page appearing to belong to Gargasoulas, he continually referred to "you dogs" and in one said: "I know exactly how to take you DOGS down the power of knowing has revealed and i shall have GODS law re-instated [sic]."

He also checked-in to a bar in Melbourne called The Dogs Bar several times.

In another post, he claimed to be a "Greek Islamic Kurdish Angel of Cult".

And in one post, he took sympathy with "cop killers", saying: "The next time you hear of a police officer being killed “in the line of duty,” take a moment to consider the very real possibility that maybe in that case, the “law enforcer” was the bad guy and the “cop killer” was the good guy.

"As it happens, that has been the case more often than not throughout human history.

This site gives error - Repeated use of "*" characters is unnecessary. Please remove them to continue - when I try to put in some of his facebook posts.

Nice find Philip S,
I saw the video earlier today of the Bourke St offender doing doughnuts and thought that he might've been an immigrant, but I wasn't in any way sure that he was and didn't know he was Muslim until you added your article.

I really wish the aussie media would just tell us these things instead of deliberately omitting and leaving us to assume or look to foreign news sources for info, I don't see why it's a big issue considering immigration and globalism are fairly hot topics these days.
Stupid globalist agendas...

I wonder how the media will manage this 'Islam' aspect tommorrow?
They can hardly keep it a secret if true, but we'll see I guess.
Earlier today I heard the standard police statement say this was not terror-related.
"More than 20 people in total were injured in the attacks, which police say are not terror-related.
http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2017/01/20/pedestrians-reportedly-hit-by-car-in-vic.html#sthash.U6W8uosf.dpuf"

If proven true, does this mean the police and media are lying?
What does it take to be considered terror-related?

This is interesting:
Pauline Hanson told reporters it was a terrorist attack within half an hour of the event taking place, she told them it was “what she had been informed”.

http://www.mandurahmail.com.au/story/4416955/pauline-hanson-meeting-descends-into-farce-as-she-confuses-candidates-blames-bourke-street-incident-on-terrorists/

I'd like to know who told her it was a terrorist attack, and who or what caused the police and media to say it wasn't.
Google "police say bourke st not a terrorist attack" - plenty of article references...

Just saw a video of a bystander at the scene this afternoon saying the offender was screaming 'Allah Ackbar' as he was running people down.
I can't give a link however as it is a live youtube broadcast for the Trump inaugruation at 3am.

So now the independent media is making fun our our nations media for reporting him as 'mentally ill' and not reporting on the fact he was 'Islamic' and the event was terror related.

We're a actual joke.

Armchair Critic - From my reading of a number of articles I would tend to believe it is not terrorist related.

What I think is he is definitely a criminal who has stabbed his brother taken a woman hostage, she escapes and he knows the police know and are after him and he will go to jail for a long time.

So he does what he did to give himself great notoriety to me from my reading it wasn't planned in advance.

He may have posted things on facebook in the past that people can draw a parallel to imply terrorism.

Coming up with the correct wording is hard, but in my opinion not terrorist just a lowlife wanna be thug.
To him he has nothing to loose by taking the action he did.

I may have to review what I said but at the moment I have seen no credible references or information about what he is alleged to have screamed.

If he was screaming 'Allah Ackbar' there would be lots of people who would have heard it so it should eventually get to the MSM.

So at the moment I am for not terrorist related.

Hey Phillip S,
I found the video I saw from the live broadcast.
It's a shame its not a longer video and we don't hear what else was said.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syF0IOhXmx8

Some reports seem to suggest he was just a drug fueled local with mental issues, but even your express.co.uk article noted that he'd said "since he came to Melbourne".
- When did he come to Melbourne and where did he come from?
Didn't his facebook posts say he was a 'Greek / Kurdish Islamist' or something to that effect?

On Victoria Police Facebook page, a police spokesperson says
"...assessment means currently it has not made the threshold of a terrorist incident as there is no evidence of a linkage to identified threats."

http://www.facebook.com/victoriapolice/

I guess the police are saying they need a link to class it as terrorism related, whilst for the people we could argue if some idiots running people over screaming "Allahu Ackbar", with numerous people dead and dozens injured that's terrorism, pure and simple.

We need clarification between the police, media and public on what terrorism related events actually are.
Too much of playing things down in my opinion, and of treating the public like fools.

The incident was not terrorism related.

The man is known to police. He has a history of
mental illness and family violence and was out
on bail when he went crazy. He'd stabbed his brother
earlier that morning and his rage escalated during
the day. My next door neighbour was at the scene
and gave us a full account of what happened.
It's a shame that the man could not have been stopped
in his car before he caused the dreadful damage that he did.
There is plenty of information available in the media.
All you need to do is Google it.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/live-pedestrians-hit-gunshots-heard-in-melbourne-cbd-20170120-gtvf3x.html

cont'd ...

I can't understand why this man was not arrested
after he stabbed his brother that morning. Why was
he out on bail - especially as he had a history of
mental illness and family violence and the police
knew him. This incident surely could have been
prevented?

Hey Foxy,
I certainly don't wish to argue with you; but I'm not convinced.

Definition of Terrorism: the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

Now if we are going to stick with the proper definition then many of the people involved in protests that resort to or use violence are in fact terrorists.

Also, an Islamist could be screaming "Allahu Ackbar" and running people over as reportedly happened yesterday and this is not considered terrorism: because there is no link to a known terrorist organisation taking responsibility and making political demands upon the nation.

Now definitions aside; You tell me who the terrorist is:
The person who gets violent at a protest;
Or the person who kills multiple people screaming "Allah Ackbar".

The lack of a link to a terrorist organisation does not completely remove the idea this should not be considered at least terror-related.

Now I'm not doubting the guy had drug issues and by his rantings serious drug psychosis; but by his own statements he claimed to be a "Greek Islamic Kurdish Angel of Cult". He sat in 'The Dogs Bar' and posted "Thinking. About what to do with them", indicating an attack upon innocents as his other FB posts do, as well as quotes supportive of killing police / an indication he may have been planning on killing police.

Why can't we change that definition of terrorism to include 'religious aims'?

Also, should 'religious aims' not be considered in any way political?

Victoria and other States (except NSW) need to strengthen the bail provisions that are heavily weighed in favour of the wrongdoer and do NOT have sufficient regard for the victims of crime and the safety of the general public.

In NSW, the LNP and Labor cooperated to tighten bail provisions, but that initiative was bitterly resisted by the Greens, who remain opposed.

No bail is good bail.

As for whether or not this Melbourne atrocity was 'terror-related', we must remember that Victorian police have a phobia about even enunciating the words 'terrorism' and 'Islam'. The big question is, how the hell did this lunatic get to set foot in in Australia? Andrew Bolt keeps bleating in his blog, "Who let them in?". He knows damn well who lets them in: incompetent, disgraceful Australian politicians. That's who. And, Victorians should be writing/emailing to their federal members, asking how dare they permit such people to come to their country!

And yes, Foxy. How could this person still be walking around after his morning stabbing activities? Someone in Melbourne needs to be dragged up to explain that. INDIVIDUALS supposedly responsible for public safety should be publicly held responsible for the slaughter of a young family. Their responsiblity should be hammered in to them, and they should be made pay dearly for their incompetence.

What I don't get is this man was doing "wheelies"
outside Flinders Street Station before driving
two blocks to the Bourke Street Mall. People,
taxi drivers,
(and police) were standing by watching him.
Surely someone could have rammed a car (or tram)
into this guy and stopped him? Instead they simply
watched while others sat in their cars and
watched this guy go on his rampage. I would have
crashed my car into his had I been there. I would
have thought that the police are trained for this
kind of situation. Or at least they should be.
Lives could have been saved by quicker action.

Police Commissioner Graham Ashton said:

"He is not related to any counter-terrorism or any
terrorism related activities. He is not on our
books as having any connection with terrorism and
we're not regarding this as a terrorism related
incident. We have mental health and drug related
issues in the background of this particular person.
He has been coming to our attention more recently over
recent days in relation to assaults, family violence
related assaults."

The man should not have been out on bail.
I feel so sorry for the families of those who have
died and also for those still traumatised by this
event. We need to look more closely though and make
sure that our police officers get better training
for events such as these in the future. An analysis
of this particular situation needs to be done.
An investigation into what happened and why needs
to be made so that this can be prevented in the
future. Tougher action is needed.

In other places in the world the police would have shot him dead before he managed to murder innocents.

However in Australia....

Remember the moans and groans from the Greens and others of similar leanings when police in Sydney shot at a car being driven by, and full of Aboriginal Australians, when it mounted the footpath and drove into people.

Yer can't win.

"Instead they simply watched"

Wouldn't it be reasonable to ascertain what guidelines applied to the police and whether they were in a position to intervene?

You may find out that the only possible would have been a police vehicle on the scene and further, the 'to-be' assailant hadn't committed a serious enough offence before mounting the footpath and hitting people.

What is certain is that any claimed precipitative or over-reaction by police lands them in very hot water.

As for the public T-Boning him before he actually committed a sufficiently serious offence, the same applies with bells on it.

Maybe some here can remember the recent necessary interventions by police that were criticised in some quarters of the media and politics.

The real issue here is the conditions for bail. If any would like to go further,
the issue of self defence (including defence of loved ones and other parties) could be revisited. Another area where the left have difficulty imagining the consequences of their defence and enlargement of the rights of lawbreakers over the rights and safety of victims of crime and the public safety considerations.

Any such deportation should be accompanied by all & any family members in Oz. Make the whole family responsible for their own trash, & we might see some improvement.

They will only be getting tough enough when they hire a 70,000 bulk carrier, load it with all the garbage, & do a round trip to the Middle east & Africa.

Of course it may take a couple of such trips to get rid of just the worst of the problem.

Story from Queensland, African thugs, need to listen to video the text is too short and leaves out important details.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/34244928/grandmother-assaulted-by-gang-in-cowardly-daylight-attack/#page1

May need to copy and paste if link not working.

More violent African criminals that need deporting. These must be the ones the Greens don't want deported let them stay and do it again when they get out.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/a/34251426/i-still-have-night-sweats-five-teens-arrested-over-violent-jewellery-store-heist-which-left-staff-terrified/#page1

Five teenagers have been charged over a violent robbery where a jewellery store staff member was allegedly hit in the head with a gun.

It is alleged the group, of African descent and aged 16 and 17, smashed glass cabinets and stole a large sum of jewellery from the Toorak store on January 14.

A male staff member was allegedly struck in the head with the butt of a gun, before the offenders fled the daylight robbery in a getaway car.

Police found the car abandoned in Collingwood soon after.

After raids in Shepparton and Melbourne last week, the five teens were arrested and charged.

The five teens have been remanded in custody to appear in a children’s court at a later date.

Two of those teens, who are known to police, have also been charged with other armed robberies.

See if I can get link right

http://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/a/34251426/i-still-have-night-sweats-five-teens-arrested-over-violent-jewellery-store-heist-which-left-staff-terrified/#page1

I don't for a moment blame those African youths for allegedly committing those crimes as shown on that news clip. I blame our politicians for initially permitting their entry into the country in the first instance. I blame our pathetic judiciary, for cutting 'em loose instead of denying them bail, time after time after time. I blame the Youth detention centres for not applying the necessary 'strict discipline' when these young hoodlums are ultimately confined therein. After all, they're supposed to be in 'custody'?

But the most reprehensible, culpable or criminally indefensible of them all, are our politicians ! Rarely will they accept meritorious advice from police and others, all of whom are in a consummate position to know the true facts. Rather they prefer to act, or react in a manner to assure their own re-election.

Having due regard to the opinions and suggestions expressed by my learned and esteemed colleague HASBEEN Esq - He suggests inter alia, the entire family of the convicted non-citizen individual, must accompany him upon his mandatory deportation ? I find it to be a little inflexible. Therefore, I would suggest it be modified to say; all those over the age of 'six calendar months' must accompany the convicted non-citizen individual.

I do blame the African youths as well as any other migrant groups as it shows how ungrateful they are, the Politicians are just beneath contempt with there actions bringing them here without proper checks and ways to instantly deport undesirables.

I said it on page 1 and I will say it again, Those immigrants and refugees that will not or cannot abide by our social standards and laws should be deported ASAP. Others of a similar cultural group should be prohibited from entry.

The PM and the Immigration Minister must be told in no uncertain terms these people should not be allowed in.

We must make it an election issue at every election until the polys get the message as how important the public view the matter.

If we do not do this we can only blame ourselves.

Most migrants/refugees integrate and do the right thing and only a few groups thatdo not. We can do without them.

Hi there BANJO...

I couldn't agree with you more. However it's all too late, the precedent's been set. Other than perhaps one or two of the very worst of the non-citizens among them, they're here to stay. Any initiative from government to deport them will generally be overturned by the High Court, essentially on humanitarian grounds. You'll note our High Court tries hard to align itself, very much with what the United Nations say, on all matters pertaining to refugees.

Here is a link that's worth a read:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-19/tighter-australian-immigration-policies-needed-islamic-council/6479942

cont'd ...

What I do find somewhat disturbing is the reference
to a caliphate towards the end of the article.

Foxy, I agree. If Caliph = Pope then that means that Islam would have
to have undertaken changes of the same magnitude that the Catholic
Church undertook as a result of the Reformation.

The problem is that changes like that would be blasphemy in the eyes
of most moslems as far as I can gather. Blasphemy is punishable by death.
It only takes one fanatic to stop the a movement.
You can see how ISIS looks on moslems who do not follow their ways.
Likewise look at the Susifi from Saudi Arabia, they look down on those
in Kuwait and they look down on somebody else and they all look down
on the Shia.
The whole religion/political scheme is in the state it
is because it is the nature of Islam. It will never recover and there
is no point in trying to save it.
It has been living on oil revenues for the last 80 years.
This is already ending, it is not in our interest to help it survive.

Europe is its saviour as their historical scholars see it.
By infiltrating and taking it over they will inherit its riches.
It worked in Egypt and Nth Africa and Spain until Isabella arrived
on the scene.
The problem is that those scholars do not realise the inherent fault
in the Islamic prototype.
It will always decline to the state you see in the middle east.

AUSTRALIA DAY!
Well, I for one, see nothing to celebrate, spose the fact that we still exist at all is a consolation. The polys, and others, have done their damndist to destroy us completely.

The last 50 years has seen our society go downhill at a rapid pace. In fact I cannot see one improvement in social factors. Before that one knew every one in the street, we helped each other and left our houses unlocked. Now we lock and turn on electronic security and some even employ security guards before going away.

We have to worry about security from muslim terrorists at Anzac Day functions. That never crossed our minds. As for the black African kids, the coppers would have given them a good kick in the bum before they got out of control and straightened them out.

There are far too many people of far too many alien cultures for a reasonable society to exist. The divesity has given us nothing.

No, nothing to celebrate today, I don't care if they change the day, its all stuffed any way.

I'll have a beer and reflect on what might have been.

Banjo,

True. Although diversity has a actually given us something - trouble- which will never go away.

I'll be going this afternoon to visit my mum
in the dementia wing of her nursing home and
spend afternoon tea with her and the other
residents (all of whom I know by name). The
residents there come from a variety of ancestries,
British, German, Polish, Italian, Greek, Scottish,
Lithuanian, Russian, Slovenian, Croatian, Chinese,
and so on.
The staff
there are very caring, compassionate, and I
marvel at their training and professionalism.
They know exactly what's required and what to do.
And they also are a wide mix of people - from the
Philipines, Sri-Lanka, India, Africa, China,
Germany, Scotland, Ireland, the UK, Lebanon,
Iran, - they're quite
a mix. The care that my mother receives is wonderful,
and in this country we are so blessed by the miracle
that the diversity provides in out health care system.
For which our family is very grateful. It is part
and parcel of what makes this country great - and we
see it displayed on a daily basis - with people simply
working together in harmony for the good of all.
That is worth celebrating!

I am not so sure that the presence of foreign workers is always a good thing. What is claimed as a 'diversity' initiative could be a ruthless means of getting rid of conditions such as penalty rates for nurses, that many could not survive without.

Over the years there have been regular reports of underemployment of graduate nurses which could involve some losing their registration and still being required to pay off their education (and make up for lost years getting the quals and being paid less for that time).

Maybe the Left's Diversity God requires sacrifices and where nursing is concerned, it is again largely women who are the blood sacrifice.

Nurses have my sympathy. Perhaps the required skills for nursing homes and other services delivery to seniors and aged have been reduced and nurses are again missing out (as well as the 'clients' who are aged, vulnerable and poorly equipped to resist downgrading that affects them).

Foxy,
I put it to you that the excellent care your mother receives has nothing to do with diversity, but all to do with the standards set by management.

Recently I was hospitalized in my local EU for 3 nights and the care was excellent. The accents of staff were mainly Aus and some Poms as well. It would be wrong of me to attribute my care to a lack of staff diversity. Again it is the standards set by management.

I can see that it is difficult to find issues with good outcomes that can be attributed to ethnic diversity. I have often wondered why those promoting multiculturalism claim the benefits of diversity, when clearly there are few. It seems to come back to a variety of eating places and folk music and little else. So much for the 'rich taperstry' of MC, unless one includes soccer violence.

I do have difficulty understanding Telstra telephonists, but no problem with Qantas. I wonder why a company that specializes in oral communication, like Telstra, employ staff that cannot communicate in accents that most customers can clearly understand.

Hi FOXY...

I hope you enjoy your visit this afternoon with your dear Mum - treasure her while you've still got her, dementia or otherwise.

I don't think for a moment that anyone herein is suggesting 'ALL' migrants are criminals or even bad. Unfortunately there are many with origins from the Horn of Africa like, Somalia, Ethiopia, Sudan and to a lesser degree Mozambique, through circumstances that are essentially beyond their control. Can only identify and understand that a satisfactory outcome to conflict resolution can only be achieved through intimidation and violence. While all around them they see civil unrest, unstable and wholly corrupt governments.

And that's precisely what's occurring in places like suburban Melbourne, and other major cities in Oz. And worse still, these African youths have absolutely no fear of police. AND because of this insidious 'political correctness', neither should they be, secure in the knowledge the police can't and won't touch 'em. Even if they're brave enough to do so, our absurd bail laws being as they are........need I say any more ? Enjoy your afternoon FOXY.

Dear O Sung Wu,

I enjoyed the visit with my mum very much.

I am very happy with the care that she's receiving.

It is not only due to the policies of management
as Banjo suggests - but to the cultures of the
staff involved in their care for the elderly.
I notice a huge difference between the staff
in the facility where my husband's mother was in
which had a largely local staff - where compassion
and empathy was on the back-burner compared to
the genuine caring of the current staff. Of course
I can only speak from experience. And the noteable
difference between the staff of the two places is
huge! I wouldn't trade the current staff with the
previous lot for quids. And of course the management
of this facility is also from overseas. ;-)

I believe we have to take the lesson from France.
It is an example of what will happen here if we allow the same source
of migrants to proliferate.
You can argue the political correctness of it but there it is.
Quite large parts of Paris and other cities are now accepted as not
being part of France.
French law does not apply and French law enforcement does not exist.
Single police cars never enter those areas.
Even the fire brigades and ambulances avoid those areas.
It is expected that many of those areas will join up forming larger
independent reservations where French is unknown and French law unenforceable.
Also French people are advised to avoid those areas.
They have a name like arrondisment sensitive and are so marked on maps of Paris.
Not on tourist maps but on administrative maps.

From today's news of the juvenile breakout it seems that they need to get tough with the native born as well.

Sheriff Joe anyone?