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antarctic cracking up

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Hi Jbower,
When you say you distrust scientists, does that include:
- medical scientists
- pharmacology scientists
-.dental scientists
- space scientists
- food and agriculture scentists
- ecology and biology scientists

and all of a long list of scientists working on global warming, impacts, mitigation and adaptation, such as those in the following fields:
- atmospheric modelling
- armospheric chemistry
- ocean - surface and deep - rising sea levels
- ocean currents
- ocean acidification being caused by. Increasing atmospheric CO2
- ecology
- coral biology
- space science and effect of sun on earths temperature
- glacier science
- fisheries
- agricultural science
- atmospheric heat management
- paleo science (what was our environment like hundreds of thousands of years ago?)
- tree ring science
- glacier and Antarctic ice core (the have determined temperature and CO2 concentrations for past 800,000 years - using Russian ice cores obtained from surface to 3 km depth)
- metnane management from farting/belching cattle (major problem for Aust)

And many more.
Most on government salaries.
Not rich compared with fossil fuel magnates.

Cheers
Tony
PS - love our scientists
Posted by Tony153, Thursday, 19 January 2017 5:09:23 PM
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Yes Tony the whole lot of them! They have kept on researching dishonestly and their own peers colluded with them. History is littered with examples of scientists and "Experts" getting it wrong.
Do not just take my word for it re-read the famous Eisenhower speech on the military industrial complex. The very next paragraph warned of researchers (All those people you listed) just angling for more money with lots of promises. Mind you first middle and last the prediction"You are all going to dieeeeeeeeeeee!"
Posted by JBowyer, Thursday, 19 January 2017 7:12:09 PM
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Scientists are reading your mind JB especially palaeoanthropologists and the dentists , with the shiny diamond pointed drills that scream in your head and steal your emotions, memory and fingernails . Stay out of banks , avoid cracks in pavement.
Posted by nicknamenick, Thursday, 19 January 2017 7:32:53 PM
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Billyd,

According to the FAO per capita calorie production world-wide increased by 38% since 1800 and by 24% since 1960 when the green revolution was in its infancy.

Despite a long and lamentable history of dills predicting the imminent decline of food availability, it never happens. In period since 1975 when we've supposedly had this unprecedented rise in temperatures, world food production per capita has increased by 18%.

These are world statistics. The improvement in the developing world is even more impressive.

"What happened historically to temperature rises is irrelevant to today. The situation now is unique"

Philip Stott used to call this the error of presentism. Every generation believes its time is special, unique, never been faced before etc. But with a little historic perspective one gets to see that presentism is a very common and natural human frailty.

"What scientists are worried about is not the natural rise, it's the possibility of an exponential rise, "

Yes they are. But in the hands of the dedicated alarmist, "the possibility" morphs into "the certainty" and idiocy like 50% of the population dying from starvation.

"Anyone who thinks 300 years of burning fossil fuels, more and more every year, has no affect (sic) on the environment is a fool,"

Agreed. Very few of what you'd derisively call 'deniers' thinks there's "no effect".

"they probably claimed the hole in the ozone layer had nothing to do with CFCs."

Given that the banning of CFCs seems to have little effect on the so-called hole, you might want to withhold judgement on that just yet.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-30/ozone-hole-over-antarctica-expands-to-near-record-levels/6898824
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 20 January 2017 7:08:25 AM
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"presentism is a human frailty"
indeed yes and your article explains "We expect in the southern hemisphere that the ozone hole will not completely recover for another 40 to 60 years, when it recovers back to pre-1980 levels when the ozone hole was first discovered."
Posted by nicknamenick, Friday, 20 January 2017 7:21:02 AM
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Tony153,

"PS - love our scientists"

Oh good, so I guess you love:

Judith Curry
Svensmark
Freeman Dyson
Roy Spencer
John Christy
Fred Singer
Richard Lindzen
Habibullo Abdussamatov

should I go on?

In terms of climate science you left a few important professions off your list:
Economists - you can't predict future emissions without guessing future economic activity
Statisticians - who work out how to process the data derived from paleo and similar work

PS is Tony, ANTony? Very similar views and writing styles.
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 20 January 2017 7:28:42 AM
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