Has Turnbull seen his final debate in politics.

we had a man who promised to stop the boats and he did (no one else had the courage). We had a man who promised to ax the idiotic breathing tax and he did. Its good now to see Mr Turnbull carrying out the wish of the people. Mr Turnbull is the head and Pauline is the neck. I luv it.

'I wish' seems to be an appropriate response. But, no; I don't think we will be rid of Turnbull any time soon. The Coalition is caught in the spotlight like a rabbit. Still stunned by its stupid, stupid choice of Turnbull, it is frozen stiff. My prediction is that the Coalition will be ousted at the next election, and Supermoron, Shorten, will be PM of sorts; and the days of the two pary system will be over. The system has failed miserably, and both Liberal and Labor have proved to be self-serving, incompetent and corrupt players. The likes of Hanson, Family First and independents will have more say. That's our only hope, as we do not have a single politician capable of leading a party, let alone a country.

Never have we had such a leader that is driven by his own back bench. Why does the far right have so much influence on policy. Turnbull is a fair dinkum skwib. Hamstrung by his own party. He has not a hope in hell of winning another election. Will he actually survive the xmas break, maybe time to give Bishop a go.
Turnbull has done neither. Too frightened of Labor on his left to touch the GST and too intimidated by his own colleagues on his right to take the initiative on same-sex marriage, he has contented himself with a second-order agenda. A day and a half of squawks of protest by a handful of conservative members of his Coalition proved unbearable pressure. And he expects a refugee deal, struck with current US President Barack Obama, to hold despite growing signs from the United States the incoming Trump administration will junk it.
Turnbull has not shown one piece of evidence of him having any idea of what he is doing.

It was a shock after unending sessions of mouth-wobble by pollies to hear the Greens ( sorry to write this word but it is an adult forum)
leader . He organised a conference with the shipwreck captain about the backpack backtrack tax , did a non-insane presentation to save the farmers and then went on TV. He spoke like a human . amazing.

I can't believe how ignorant people are of the fact that Turnbull has no choice but to listen to the right. Simple maths is that many of the Abbott votes went to Hanson. Whether you like it or not anyone can see that. As I wrote before Turbull is the head and Hanson the neck that turns the head. If Turnbull turns his head towards his natural inclination (gw scam, perverting the marriage act etc) his head will be separated from the neck. Hanson will pick even more votes. Why do you think he has suddenly had a change of ' heart' on gw, marriage, stopping the boats. What is it with the left who can't see something so obvious.

But Greens did Malcolms' farmers' Nationals backpacker victory and not Hansen. Mr T could have had what he willingly accepted , weeks ago from Greens. Hansens' unsmart disunited Clive Palmer outliers are not the neck or toes or even balance of power.

Turnbull has every choice at hand but it is he who does not want to use his choices. He is not in Australia’s best interest. He is only in the interest of his back bench.
The last of his credibility has gone.
We are facing stagnation, and we have a fearful leader that is being driven by a handful of renegade politicians. His actions are not going to save him or the liberal party, so why play a tune not of his making.
Where is our promised Broadband , A piebald system that was never going to work, billions of dollars down the drain. It was Abbot that was going to deliver it for half the cost, Billions gone for a system that is going to achieve nothing.
Tony’s last message as PM was “there will be no wrecking, no undermining” More lies
Turnbull is now without defense and making an idiot out of himself.

I will stick my neck out and make a prediction.
Turnbull will lead to the next election.
Labour will have most seats.
One Nation will have a large swing vote and will use it.
One Nation will have a large vote in the senate and will have the balance.
In the senate the Greens will have a few less members.
A coalition government will be in power, Liberal/Nats/One Nation.
The PM might well be Tony Abbot and Pauline Hanson will be in cabinet.

How does that grab you ?

"But Greens did Malcolms' farmers' Nationals backpacker victory and not Hansen. Mr T could have had what he willingly accepted , weeks ago from Greens. Hansens' unsmart disunited Clive Palmer outliers are not the neck or toes or even balance of power."

Really Nick.... you don't seem to pay close attention to anything.
Hanson offered the Coalition the same thing weeks ago... b4 the Greens, and without the blackmail of the Greens price for cooperation.

"Never have we had such a leader that is driven by his own back bench."

Well we vote them all in to represent us so it would be good to have a backbench that is listened to. Abbott made the mistake of listening to Credlin and himself.

"Why does the far right have so much influence on policy. Turnbull is a fair dinkum skwib."

It doesn't. That is just Labor propaganda... who do you vote for again?

"Hamstrung by his own party. He has not a hope in hell of winning another election. Will he actually survive the xmas break, maybe time to give Bishop a go."

Bishop? Nope.
Turnbull has to govern for all Australians not just the progressive Left or the WETS within his party... who by the way are the minority.

"Turnbull has done neither. Too frightened of Labor on his left to touch the GST"

Ah no one wants to touch the GST.

"and too intimidated by his own colleagues on his right to take the initiative on same-sex marriage, he has contented himself with a second-order agenda."

Well SSM is a 2nd or maybe 3rd order issue. Most Australians want a say on it and want a plebiscite. So unlike Labor and those who fear the voice of the Australian people he is right on this as was Abbott.

Turnbull isn't my choice of PM, he should be leading the ALP, mind you most of those people wanted him to be PM and some still do. Let you down has he?

T800
Maybe personal abuse strengthens your views. It does in schoolyards.
10.5% is not 13%.

And 13% is not 15%.

"The deal comes after a deadlock between the government’s 19% and an amendment put up by Tasmanian crossbencher Jacqui Lambie and passed by the Senate last week – but rejected by the government – for a 10.5% rate. A 15% rate was proposed by One Nation."

Like I said... 15% no strings attached.
You need to pay more attention and stop blaming others for things they don't do.

A government with no hope. How much is Turnbull’s Internet costing now. Relying on old copper wires is not a good option and never will be. It is already causing bottle necks. The system is not reliable at all.
Abbott’s rat bag back bench followers are causing a serious and dangerous atmosphere when a minor part of the coalition can swing policy weight around, causing stupid amounts of back wash. The coalition has not advanced one inch of policy making decisions in this term of office.
There will be no wrecking and no undermining, that statement came from someone with a record breaking amount of lies against him and there is no change.
The liberals do not want SSM or a cleanup of atmosphere; they are tinkering around the perimeters trying to find a dollar. How about creating some jobs and getting the economy going, then again you must maintain five percent unemployed, which is mandatory. And at the same time putting pressure on unemployed to find something that does not exist.
Turnbull has already lost the next election so he may as well give up now. Lame ducks never were any good, and yet we have to support these persons for life. The whole scenario does not make any sense at all.

Jelly back Morrison is openly condoning the illegality of polygomy by paying welfare to multiple Muslim 'wives'. He says it's cheaper! Nothing about the laws and culture of Australia. One law for for 95% of Australians, another law for 2% (Muslims) and another law for 3% of Australians (Aborigine identifiers).

There is nothing new in the situation, some years ago there was a clampdown on wife's support payments to Aboriginal families in which there were multiple tribal wives, the upshot was widespread rejoicing at the extra money, when the law of the land was applied and the wives got single mother's support.

An announcement that Mr Turnbull will make a speech at the Saturday dinner to celebrate the movement’s 25th anniversary has sparked some backlash within the Coalition but Senator Ryan said the PM had made his position on a Republic “quite clear”.
“He doesnt think anything will or should happen during the reign of the current monarch. I think that’s where most of the Australian public are,” Senator Ryan told Sky News.
If it was started now nothing would happen for years anyway. People that are * frightened to talk about a republic are in the same bin as SSM. It’s all too hard for them.
Turnbull is being advised by a few on his backbench again, before he says anything. What sort of government is this, it’s a government with out function, or direction, where are the rest of his backbench doing when he is being driven by the far right.
The DD election was a complete failure, why did they ever bother

Increased investment in renewable energy is leading to the closure of coal-fired power stations and contributing to rising electricity prices, the Australian Energy Market Commission says. The Energy market Commission is a 100%biased organization.
Australia has almost a one-in-two chance of being downgraded next week, following the Federal Government's mid-year economic update, which could see borrowing costs rise. Morrison is on the verge of total failure.
If not next week, the downgrade will be in May next year when the Government's annual accounts are released, unless it can pull off some major reforms.
Rule changes see a decline in disability claims being successful. Disability claims are verified by Doctors, all Disability recipients under the age of 35 are required to have their cases recessed by Government appointed Doctors, under the new rules of what is a disability and what is not a disability, then undergo a job capacity assessment. Even the most disabled of disability recipients will be found to be competent of something. Even if it is in the desert picking out weeds. But no one is ever going to find that job for them. Morrison says a job is a job !
Even if you are being ripped by employers a job is a job.
No matter how good this Government is they can always find ways of kicking the lowest the hardest, They need the money for tax cuts for the well off.
Instead of doing something about jobs, they just keep blaming the public, No wonder we are on the verge of being downgraded. And that will cost Billions in extra interest.
Morrison is putting together a cheat sheet for the midterm budget statement. He will have to tell an awful lot of lies to divert being downgraded.

doog, the giving of priority to renewables is what has killed the
economics of the coal fired stations. They need a steady load for
most of the day. They just cannot be wound up and down to suit the wind.
Don't mention gas, it is in short supply for political reasons.
The whole problem is because wind and solar cannot do the job and
thats all there is to it.

The copper in the ground is from what I have seen in the case of
50 year old cable actually in as new condition. Good teflon cable.

Anyway it looks like a new technology will take over.
It is called fibre to the curb. Each box will service three or four houses.
Being trialled now. It looks like it will save really big bikies.

I don't know where some people get the idea that Turnbull is driven by the "far right". Turnbull is the most Left wing leader of the Coalition ever, and he does not listen to anyone, full stop. All of the batty ideas are his alone. Anyway, just who are all these "far right" Coalition backbenchers? I cannot think of one except, perhaps, Cory Bernadi, who many think of as very Right; I think he is just caught up in old fashioned Catholicism, and will never ever be a political force. Cory has had plenty of opportunity to to give us something different, but he doesn't appear to have the bottle to do anything. All mouth and trousers, really, with the personality of a dead fish. I certainly would not vote for him.

Another thing showing how out of whack the claim that Turnbull is a hostage to the Right is his completely loony Left decision, along with Hunt the Runt, to kiss arse in Paris at the ridiculous climate circus, and to throw away more of our money on the total fantasy that ripping off pensioners and ruining the Australian economy even more will change the climate.

There probably will be coal fired power always available because of their constant supply 24 hours a day, albeit a massive waste of electricity and energy. The boilers we have are old and inefficient; Water tube boilers are far more regulatory and cost effective.
The same argument was in motion with changing from steam power to Diesel power, Steam power was seen as the all mighty and could not be replicated.
There is a host of ways of making Electricity. Coal is big business, but it has run its course.
Probably the biggest single pollutant this world has ever seen, and if we fail to get rid of that it will destroy our whole way of life. The world is now in decline through pollutants that destroy our atmosphere, we need to keep pushing forward and tidy up our environment, so future generations can have a life.
Turnbull is a wimp and plays the tune of a few colleagues that somehow are controlling him. What for no one knows, it certainly will not save him or his party. The far right see pollution as money, the left see pollution as a game changer that has to be combated or we die.
Abbott’s effort of the Green army, was nothing more than a token gesture of some type of compliance that was never designed to work. It’s about time him and his band made their own political mob, instead of playing infiltrators into a once great political party

Coal power is not wound up or down, That is regulated by a bank of turbine engines that resemble jet engines. Around a bank of 50, turbines are constantly being regulated 24 hours a day. Wind and solar will do the job, any concern about that is coming from the coal power lobby. They best invest in renewable and let go of their concerns of going out of business.

This paragraph was to precede my last post.

So doog, if they just shut down the coal fired stations without
replacing their output how do you propose keeping the lights on ?
Forget gas turbines, no future gas to run them on anyway.

A couple of facts; ERoEI of world coal now down to approx 10.
Australia is lucky with coal. So can continue longer than others.
Longer term nuclear only possible answer, but can we afford to build
a fleet of nuclear stations all round the country. Probably not.
We could perhaps afford it if we agreed to store the world's waste.

Fundamental problem, you cannot build a renewable power system using
renewable energy. It cannot bootstrap itself.

The republic, same-sex marriage and Indigenous recognition are all causes in which Malcolm Turnbull believes — yet each remains out of his reach,
As I said there is more efficient types of boilers around these days. We have not built a boiler for generation for donkey’s years.
Renewable can and will do the job nicely, Those regulatory turbines run on Kerosene. A bloke sits there all day outguessing the demand for power continually pushing buttons. They fire up instantly.
You need a little more faith in wind and solar or wave and hydro. Anyone without solar on their roof has got rocks in their head.
The site where the atomic bombs were tested are off limits, build a bunker there and store nuke waste. Along the line someone will come up with a use for that stuff and we will have the lot. It is only sticks stuck in mud that is the hold up.
The current government is a hold up as they love pollution, they dream pollution, there is a lot of money in it. They are corrupted.

I gather you are a tribal voter doog and your tribe is the ALP or some LW Progressive Party, I mean you do spout their rhetoric constantly.
Were you a Turnbull fan that has become disappointed in your choice of leader?

Sorry for you but if there's a party he should be leading its the ALP... we don't need an ALP and a pseudo ALP. Some of us like to have a choice.

Turnbull leads what is ostensibly a Conservative Coalition... he must... in order to remain Leader address issues and concerns from that side of politics even if he is a WET. That is not being a Jelliback, that is pragmatism.

Doog, you are living in fantasy land if you think that renewables
can do the job.
I will bet you are basing that idea on the belief that they can run for one day.
However you have to decide on how many overcast, windless days there
might be in a row. To cope with that you need n+1 times the renewables
needed for one day where n = the number of continuous no generation days.
In the first sunny day you have to recharge enough for n days plus the first sunny day.
To achieve reliability like we have now will need close to infinity dollars.
I have counted five such days in a row here, but there could easily
be ten such days, or eleven ? Who knows.

Re the gas turbines, and where do you think we get the kero from ?
We just don't turn a tap on, we just hope the Singapore, Korean
and the Taiwanese refineries can/want/will be allowed to sell it to us.
It is mad enough that we risk our road transport that way but to put
our electricity at that risk would be utter madness.

South Australia has made itself the prime example of how not to handle renewable power. With power costs nearly 3x that of Victoria, and frequent power failures, Jay (Prince of darkness) Weatherill is now throwing $ms at previously closed plants to be on standby.

The NBN has saved about $20bn by running FTTN, which has proven prudent because only 1O% of customers are taking up the 100Mb/s speeds.

Even Germany is building coal power stations because renewables can't cut it. So I don't know why the Prince of Darkness (AKA Jay W) thinks otherwise?