The Russians invented eveything. Yanks invented all the rest. So we saw a bit of skull-duggery on TV:

Airdate: Who Flew First? – TV Tonight
www.tvtonight.com.au/2016/11/airdate-who-flew-first.html

Whitehead flew in 1901 in US. He had been a German named Weiskopf so maybe it was pc to boost the Yank effort by Wright brothers .
But evidence shows the 1903 flight was false and it was 1908 before they succeeded. The Wright family had a contract with Smithsonian institute to say Wrights were first against 17 legal papers for Whitehead.

Richard Pearse : New Zealand Pioneer Aviator (1877 - 1953)
http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/pearse1.html

- Richard Pearse, Waitohi, New Zealand, March 31, 1902 ..He flew 8 months or perhaps 1 1/2 years before Wrights alleged first flight. So Wrights came in third place. And gave no credit to Hargraves from Oz whom supplied wing flight data from his box-kites.

To me one of the biggest peddlers of false and misleading history etc is Hollywood too many people actually believe the propaganda they put out as films being fact.

Hollywood has a big follow on factor for a lot of people they see it on the big screen so must be normal, from gay and lesbians for years being more predominant.

Hollywood also includes the soap operas makers.

In Qld , a coin , lead weight, cannon and so on have been found on beaches and dated to 15-16th century . The lead was analysed as Portuguese ore. A wooden hull is possibly from that time and a uni team went with a magnetometer to investigate. On arrival they were refused permission to investigate by Qld govt. An offer to provide a free survey to the govt of all Qld beach antiques was refused.
This is like Brazil which dumped dredged-mud on a wreck claimed to be Roman. ( Of course , Portuguese items in Brazil would be displayed as national heritage..)
Captain Cook found virgin land destined for Englishmen , empty of people and no EU ships in sight.

to have evolution and its cousin man made gw accepted as science can only happen when truth is trashed and a society is totally dumbed down.

Dear runner,

Many people don't accept the theory of evolution because it
conflicts with their religious beliefs. However, many people
accept the basic principles of evolution within the framework
of their religious beliefs. For example,
some Biblical scholars interpret the story of Creation as a
symbolic, rather that literal account of the origin of human
beings and other living things. They don't find this symbolic
interpretation incompatible with the findings of evolutionary
biologists.

For many people, the idea that human beings evolved from lower
forms of life does not diminish the uniqueness of human
capabilities and the accomplishments of human civilisations.

A low form of life was Orville Wright in the 1903 plane. Its flaps were too variable and the thing climbed, dived, climbed and ..
There's a photo of it afterwards and they dragged it away. Others have made copies and they crashed. Columbus went in 1492 , OK. Orville didn't.

Foxy

religion aside, evolution fails miserably when it comes to science. Complex design is impossible without a Designer, order can't come out of chaos and the big bang is the most unscientific fantasy going around. Any honest scientist knows these simple facts. We are still waiting for one singular transitional fossil. Evolution is nothing short of a unscientific hoax.

Dear runner,

As I understand it evolution is a process of gradual
change. The word evolution may refer to various
types of change. For example, scientists generally
describe the formation of the universe as having occurred
through evolution. Many astronomers believe the stars
and planets evolved from clouds of hot gases.
Anthropologists study the evolution of human culture
from tribal societies to complex industrialised
societies. And so it goes.

The process of evolution most commonly refers to the
formation and development of life on the earth. The
theory of evolution helps explain two fundamental
facts of nature - the tremendous variety of living
organisms and their basic similarities.

I accept the basic principles of evolution within the
framework of my religious beliefs. However, I fully
understand your position.

thanks Foxy no point in continuing to lock horns over this one. Many scientist accept the THEORY of evolution while their are many that believe and know it is just that. Evolutionist and Creationism is faith based. Some believe the science confirms their belief. We will agree to disagree.

runner, sounds like those who believe the stories in the bible. If you don't believe in evolution and GW, do you believe in Adam and Eve and Noah and the flood?

' If you don't believe in evolution and GW, do you believe in Adam and Eve and Noah and the flood?'

I certainly do Paul. It is certainly much more viable than fish growing legs and then running back into the water because they are not evolved enough and then coming out for another try. I know which one (or Whom) is far more reasonable. The belief that evolution is scientific is a reflection of how dumbed down or how many are incapable of any thinking outside of failed dogma that gives you a pass at school or uni. As you of all peoplw should know that their are far more scieintist that reject evolution than you would be willing to admit. No the science is not settled as shown by the gw con artist.

Dear runner,

Thanks for that.

I certainly am not an expert on the subject however I do have
strong religious beliefs based as you so rightly indicate -
on faith.

The ark of the Flood is interesting. The 3 dimensions are similar to modern oil tankers are are seaworthy , the pitch coating inside and out avoided leaks and pumping out water and it didn't have to travel anywhere. So it could lie parallel to wave fronts without stress. Abandoned ships today last for months rolling with waves without overturning.