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John Howard Should Beware of the Folly of this New Aboriginal Shock and Awe.
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Posted by Arjay, Friday, 22 June 2007 10:51:49 PM
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My question is how much did the federal government know about the situation over the past several years/decade? These kinds of problems have been documented and known for years. We've all seen television programs on the plight of the aboriginal community. I'm sure with reports the government knew even more. The other question is, how much is the local government responsible with it being a territory and not a state.
Howard has always been cold on the aboriginal issue. It is plain that the alarmism is designed to capture public debate, like the overboard and Iraq wmd scandals and lies that many Australians were gullible enough to believe. The big white elephant is, how it got so bad in the first place, with the oversight of a territory and a federal government for so many years. And why is Howard beating his chest about the issue after ignoring the aboriginal people for so long and giving them the cold shoulder? It's election time and he is desperate. Same old tricks. I might observe the events and debate a little to see if there is any veracity of my concerns. Posted by Steel, Saturday, 23 June 2007 4:46:54 PM
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If I were to suggest a solution, it would probably be to consult with the aboriginal people down there directly, the abusers and abused alike. Government invasion of their lives is going to be potentially and needlessly very expensive. The aboriginal people themselves would prefer to deal with this activity as they see fit, perhaps even tribally. The last thing they want is people/ church volunteers going down there and stealing another generation of children.
Posted by Steel, Saturday, 23 June 2007 4:55:17 PM
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Of course interviewing the abusers would also include non-indigenous white Australians. Probably includes the same types as who stole the last generation (clergy, religious people with their 'Values' etc...)
Non-indigenous prey on young http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/nonindigenous-prey-on-young/2007/06/22/1182019377399.html "NON-INDIGENOUS pedophiles, including school principals and builders, screen pornography to young Aboriginal males and give them alcohol on condition they bring young children to viewings, a prominent indigenous academic says." Posted by Steel, Saturday, 23 June 2007 6:49:12 PM
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Steel ,my point is that the Coalition regardless of their political motivation may actually achieve positive outcomes where the PC brigade has failed dismally.Just going in with a insensitive authoritarian approach may be destructive to both sides.
Not all Aborigines are drunken paedophiles,however welfare has destroyed their culture and a more disciplined approach is long over due.It was the harsh environment that disciplined them in the past and gave their life purpose and dignity.Sit down money,has destroyed them. John Howard is going out on a limb here,and is risking a lot where the left are just willing to let them rot.Money alone is not the solution.Discipline,love,respect and a purpose to live is the key. Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 24 June 2007 1:19:10 AM
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This business of aborignes in bush camps is not a Howard folly.
John Howard is Im sure an honourable man and his intentions are of merit. The people of mention here are people of the scrub, very simple and of good character when sober but not so when affected by the white mans poison, makes them do strange things. We are not discussing half castes from regional towns, this mob are in the scrub and bored to buggery, thier needs are of an instant gratification mindset much the way a small childs mind works. Add to this petrol sniffing, dope and alcohol and you city types reading this may get an understanding of why things are the way they are. The alcoholic parents are a waste of time, they cant be helped outside of a substance abuse clinic and 24 hr round the clock guards to keep them off the grog. Kids are golden they are not born into this world with the demons of thier parents, they only know what is taught to them and that is where this initiative should focus, take the kids away from the poison and help them to help themselves. The dogooders may scream and rant but perhaps they may be productive as were the previous so called stolen generation, whom were mostly educated and led productive lives. We now live in the nuclear age, the world is going faster and faster, if we dont get some of them up to speed they will be left behind for good. Poor old John your damned if you do and damned if you dont Posted by SCOTTY, Sunday, 24 June 2007 1:56:09 AM
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I think that he,John Howard is genuinely been affronted by the extent of abuse,however to have a George Bush mentality of assuming that the Aboriginal community will welcome white intrusions whom they consider to be their enemy,will only bring hate and destruction to the Coalition.
What the Coalition needs is a long term plan that does not compromise Aboriginal dignity,otherwise the Aboriginal community will close ranks,hide their shame and tolerate the abuse since they feel trapped by their own inadaquacies.
The public shame to them,could be worse than the abuse.