They might be queer ttbn, but they aren't all stupid.

They know, just as well as we do, that their propaganda is a pile of bulldust, & there is no chance of them winning when it comes to a vote.

I wonder if people like Shorten will ever realise, that they lose so many mainstream voters, every time they buy a few fringe dweller votes, it is becoming counterproductive.

I know quite a few who were all set to vote for them at the last election, but Shortens stupidity on border protection forced them back to Turnbull. This is another issue that is costing them much more than it gains.

Do you think Turnbull might be paying Shorten to hobble his lot with this rubbish?

ttbn,

The, "If they really believed they had majority support ... ", argument is just as naive and ignorant as the complaints about supposed anti-democratic motives, and what I said earlier equally applies: anyone still going on about [rigged polls] has either been cryogenically frozen for the last year or so, or they’re deliberately ignoring the arguments against a plebiscite.

Not to mention a conspiracy nut with no evidence whatsoever for their assertions.

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Hasbeen,

Speaking of which, it must be comforting to be able to write anything that contradicts your beliefs off as a conspiracy based on fudged data. With a methodology like that, you'll guarantee that anytime you're actually right about something, it's by pure fluke.

This is all very simple really.
We were to have a plebiscite, if yes it would be in effect in a
two or three months. So what is the problem ?
Could it possibly be that those wanting it think that the answer might be NO ?

They seem to want to wait till the next election in the hope that labour will win.
However there is no guarantee that labour will win the next election.
So my question is seeing they are so keen, why are they prepared to
risk waiting 3 or 6 or 9 years ?