With a visibly frail Hillary Clinton almost collapsing* in the last 24 hours 2 questions arise:

1. Is Hillary hiding an underlying chronic illness worse than the reported Pneumonia? and

2. If just an Election Campaign exhausts Hillary could she handle times of crisis as a President"

All this benefits the Trump campaign. Probably a significant number of previously undecided votes have swung Trumps way - for the 8 November Presidential Elections.

Pete

* http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-election/hillary-clintons-health-stumble-cracks-open-the-transparency-issue-20160912-gre35f.html

Hillary is the gift that keeps giving. Her default position is to keep everything the slightest bit negative a secret. She's been ill for ages and suffers, by her own admission, memory lapses. But she tries to hid it and the her cheer squad in the MSM (ie most of it) remain studiously uncurious.

Team-Trump have been saying for a while that her health is suspicious and now they get a bit more credulity on that claim.

In the meantime, she insults a quarter of the USians as 'deplorable'. If Trump said it the MSM would be screaming from the rafters, but again they look the other way.

Emailgate.

FBI investigations.

If she stumbles over the line in November, Tim Kane better get ready to take over because it'd be unlikely she'll see out 4 years. Or we should all start studying Weekend at Bernie's. Or Dave.

Now it's pneumonia? So when you've got a contagious disease the first thing you do is visit the grandkids (she went to Chelsea's apartment) and then hug a stray kid on the street?

Trump may not be the ideal candidate, but in a two horse race, he's by far the more preferable.

Hi mhaze

Yes with Hillary being small, frail and soft she is not the type to lead the US against Putin or China.

Further to having to abandon a 9/11 ceremony due to ill-health, latest report is:

"Hillary Clinton has cancelled a California fundraising trip... barely eight weeks from election day." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-12/hillary-clinton's-doctor-reveals-pneumonia-diagnosis/7834690

If she wins the election in November she may need to take a year off, till 2018, to recover from leadership.

But her memory of what she has actually won may not be hot, in a functional way.

Trump is indeed looking preferable to a secretly ailing candidate.

Pete

Scott Adams (of Dilbert fame) wrote a blog piece on this http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150264994381/the-race-for-president-is-probably-over

R0bert

Hi R0bert

Hillary certainly chose the wrong moment to claim "overheating"

As "Dilbert" implies Americans want a President capable of standing up to crisis, like 9/11, not a candidate who can't even get through a memorial service for 9/11.

Regards

Pete

Hillary needs to lay off the cough mixture.

Alcohol abuse in older women is common. She shows some of the symptoms.

Hi onthebeach

Alcohol could be the problem or part of it. She certainly has that puffy look and that pot belly.

She may go on weekly binges. To that end Dilbert has noticed http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150284922631/checking-my-predictions-about-clintons-health :
"Clinton, on the other hand, looks like an entirely different person every few days. That suggests some greater variability in her health. And that’s probably a tell for medications that are waxing and waning but rarely at the ideal levels. Or perhaps the underlying conditions have normal variability. Or both."

Her husband's serial infidelities and long term pressure of politics could have got her drinking early, from here 20s onward.

Also unlike some diseases she would have to keep alcoholism very very secret.

Pete

Hi Pete (plantagenet),

Hillary's behaviour and appearance are strikingly similar to many older women (men too) with combined alcohol and analgesic abuse.

As well as the problematic relationship, the likely contributors are lifestyle (her 'set') and keeping up with men and their drinking (goes with the suit and entitlements/privileges). It is easy for women to consume double the max recommended weekly alcohol intake. Analgesics have always been heavily marketed to women, extending to use in the anticipation of pain.

Serious problems and I would not like to appear frivolous or partisan. I know you wouldn't either.

I'd like to see Australian winemakers taking the initiative to produce low-alcohol wines, eg Rose and spicy, complex, non-sugary whites.

As for analgesics, mothers have got to stop offering them to their girls and so often, just because.

Hi onthebeach

The downsides for Australia of having a pre-disabled candidate becoming US President justifies thorough examination of all possibilities.

My theory is Hillary may have suffered a mild stroke. Confusing mild strokes with merely "overheating" is common for people of Hillary's age (69).

SOURCE

Further to Hillary's analgesic + alcohol theory http://www.everydayhealth.com/analgesic/guide/ indicates:

Alcohol can worsen certain side effects of analgesics.

Analgesics include Non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) such as ibuprofen. NSAIDs + alcohol may increase your risk of stomach bleeding, heart attack, or stroke.

Lesser Side effects...Dizziness...

Pete

Dear Dr's plantagenet and OTB,

Clearly you guys are students of the Dr. House school of medicine: your arrogance and complete absence of bedside manner is outweighed by your diagnostic abilities. So I'd like you guys to apply your brilliant House-like deductions to another patient. Let's call her 'Mum'.

Mum is roughly similar in age to Hillary, and as time goes by she looks increasingly 'pot-bellied' and 'puffy' - assuming I've correctly apprehended the meaning of your complex medical terminology. Do you think it's the drink and the paracetamol, or just that she's getting on a bit?

It may be worth noting that Mum probably puts away about 4 standard drinks a week, and has a least 3 alcohol free days a week. And she only takes paracetamol or aspirin when she is in pain.

But she is definitely less vital and more resembling and old woman than she used to be.

As a control study, I would like to introduce patient 'Dad'. He drinks about the same, and takes about roughly the same level of painkillers. But he also takes regular medication for an inherited disease that affects his kidneys, and as medication goes it's not the most pleasant when it comes to side effects. He eats the same diet as Mum, because he's never really learnt to cook for himself. I'd say he's less 'puffy' than Mum, but a good deal more 'pot-bellied'.

So what do you reckon, Docs? Is it the drink and the drugs, or the second law of thermodynamics?

If I know my House, it'll be neither and there'll be some brilliant, dramatic, amazing twist about 5 minutes before the closing credits.

Amaze me, Doctors.

Hi onthebeach

That Hillary's personal physician Dr. Lisa Bardack, asked Hillary at the memorial service to go through the checklist for suspected stroke (beginning with "squeeze my fingers") is significant.

Even if Hillary did not have a stroke the perception that she has not admitted relevant illnesses that prevent her doing a president's job mean the alternative, Trump, will win the 8 November Election.

Pete

I think Hillary's campaign's done.
She won't make it through the debates.
She may have already destroyed her chances when she called Trump supporters 'deplorable'.

There are reports in the alternative media that WABC News last night reported live that Hillary had passed away, but I can't confirm this report and it could very well be a hoax.
I'm not sure anyone really knows whats going on at the moment.

http://www.google.com.au/#q=wabc+hillary+died
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/ABchillaryhasdied.jpg

Yeah AC Hillary may have died, but I now reckon she's risen from the dead. Quite Hillarious :)

Short of that "Hillary Clinton body double theory goes viral after collapse" 13 Sept 2016 http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/hillary-clinton-body-double-theory-goes-viral-after-collapse/news-story/20c6efdeb4ff69af7a320bc394cefe08

"HILLARY Clinton’s collapse at a 9/11 ceremony in New York made global headlines and fuelled rumours about her health. But more bizarrely, it also fuelled a conspiracy theory or two with one claiming the Democratic Presidential candidate is using a body double.

...She was later taken to her daughter Chelsea’s apartment to recover with her team confirming the presidential hopeful was suffering from pneumonia.

...It also emerged that Clinton’s team deliberately avoided the emergency room in a bid to conceal details of her medical treatment.

According to the New York Post, Clinton was heading to hospital following the collapse but detoured to her daughter’s house instead.

[This] was designed so Clinton wouldn’t be seen by medical workers who could leak details to reporters a source told The Post...."

Pete,

I reckon you are on to something with the mini-stroke possibility.

I am not going to bother to Google for reports, but I recall at least one previous similar incident and some reference to a mini-stroke.

Thanks onthebeach

Wiki has a little slot on Hillary's health http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_presidential_campaign,_2016#Health

"...The letter noted that there has been a "complete resolution" of a brain concussion that Clinton suffered in 2012 and "total dissolution" of prior blood clots..."

So brain concussion and prior blood clots could increase the chances of stroke or there could be a correlation between all three.

Pete

Hey Plantagenet,
Chelsea's apatment was previously a medical clinic, and apparently Chelsea doesn't stay there very often anymore.
It may be that it possibly still contains some kind of medical facilities for Hillary to use privately when she needs to without attracting unwanted attention.

I actually only heard about the body double 'Teresa Barnwell' today so I don't know a lot about her.
The host of the talk show I listened to today also thought Hillary may have had a stroke.
One of her female support staff was seen performing a neurological test 'squeezing her fingers'.
http://hiddenamericans.com/politics/hillary-received-squeeze-my-fingers-neurological-test-at-911-memorial/

These health issues may date back to the fall she had in late 2012 and the resulting blot clots that you mentioned.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/us/politics/hillary-clinton-is-discharged-from-hospital-after-blood-clot.html
Apparently she's been seen wearing different glasses recently symptomatic of a particular neurological condition (maybe Parkinsons) and also other glasses with reflective lenses to apparently stop seizures.
Wikileaks have also released Clinton emails detailing how Huma Abedin sought Parkinson's drugs.

Hi AC

Looks like Hillary will lie low for two days, maybe in "Chelsea's Apartment".

Hillary is then likely to reappear and answer some questions (if she's smart) early morning Friday (Australian time) on her near collapse.

Her face/appearance/gait will be put under a press and medical commentariat microscope.

Pete

Hi Pete,
I only watched the footage of Hillary exiting Chelsea's Apartment just now.
I know I'm going to cop it for saying this, but I have a feeling like it WAS the body double.
For one/ I've heard it said that their wedding rings were different; and two/ if she really was diagnosed with pneumonia she wouldn't have been getting so close to that young girl if she was contagious;
Both of those points are basically irrelevant compared to the third point.

What was missing from the picture?
What should've been there but wasn't?

She came out unaccompanied.
Standing out on the footpath by herself - so to speak.
No security staff (secret service), no medical staff, no campaign staff, no nothing. ??

Plus, this might sound funny but it just didn't feel like it was her.
I didn't get a real Hillary vibe off that person...
I dunno - call me crazy and paranoid if you want, I could be wrong.

Her health aside there's a whole lot more damaging stuff that has come out in the new Wikileaks email releases, I heard today.
Tons of it, and way worse than the first lot.
No wonder she was trying to play it down and head it off by claiming 'Russian Propaganda'.

I might re-listen to the talk show I heard the info on today and write down and post some of the more interesting stuff tomorrow if I have time.

As an observation from life experience, the able, hard-working women who get there by virtue of their own demonstrated accomplishments are not fragile flowers with over-rated self-entitlement like Hillary.

Hillary is the epitome of the negative outcomes of 'positive' affirmative action and its risks for business and government, Particularly government, where they are seen to thrive through the lack of any real measurement of performance, as is normally the case in the private sector.

The 'interesting times'(sic) presently being experienced by Australia's Human Rights Commission provides examples of that,
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/australian-bureau-of-statistics-to-discriminate-against-hiring-men/news-story/77143fa1b5fa1967a29a86a83b9fb742

Hey onthebeach,
Thanks for sharing that article.

I thought tampon machines installed in mens toilets was going to be the height of this weeks politically correct insanity but you've proven me wrong.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-08/tampons-coming-mens-rooms-brown-university

Something really needs to be done about these Globalist shills.
The subversive left have really gone too far this time...
That is, until sometime real soon when I expect they'll move the goalposts back a little further again.

I added this link on another thread earlier but I'm going to add it again because it's important info and I really want to drive the point home where the world is at.
http://youtu.be/CIwAtwSowBE?t=51m51s

Returning to Hillary.

As Planta the Prescient predicted in the "Monday, 12 September 2016 12:47:33 PM" kickoff comment Hillary's near collapse "benefits the Trump campaign. Probably a significant number of previously undecided votes have swung Trumps way - for the 8 November Presidential Elections."

Proof today's AFR article "US election: Donald Trump surges, Hillary Clinton dogged by health woes" http://www.afr.com/news/politics/world/us-election-donald-trump-surges-hillary-clinton-dogged-by-health-woes-20160915-grhhmk :

[says AFR] "Not only has the Republican nominee stormed back into contention in national polls, such as the CBS News poll that has Clinton ahead by just two points or the outlier LA Times survey with Trump ahead by six.

More tellingly, he suddenly overtook Clinton in the large and must-win swing states of Ohio and Florida, by up to five and three points respectively, according to the latest Bloomberg and CNN surveys."

Pete

Shucks. I have been waiting to hear President Hillary's misogyny speech* on the 'wage gap' she suffered because Barack Obama got in ahead of her.

*a certain OZ ex-PM could mentor her. Very well off Grrls have got to stick together and it isn't cronyism.

Risk is, Hillary may rise again - on more than Bill's petard!

It is amusing that feminists just had to, as a matter of course, slam Bill Clinton for (their) imagined patriarchal wrongs when Bill spoke in support of her at the Democratic national convention. Here is an example,

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/28/bill-clinton-hillary-clinton-speech

It is OK though and totally expected that the same Bill would step up to fill in for her when the fragile flower wilts in the heat of the kitchen (Heh, heh, that could also be lack of prior experience. Hillary would have expected hirelings to do that and other 'chores').

Reminds of those jokes about the number of feminists it takes to change a light bulb.

Strikes me as how crudely Dynastic the Presidency is now:

- G. W. ("mar Daydy") Bush then Dubya II. Jeb III was in with a chance.

- Bill then "my lovely talented wife" (umm, who I've forever cheated on) Hillary Clinton II.

What happens if Bill (of the heart condition) snuffs it?

If Bill fell off his perch, Hillary would be yet another of those well-off educated middle class (in her case very wealthy!) Grrls who flaunt their own self-entitlement while decrying 'men' for trying to control them (a great excuse).

There would be $millions in interviews and Hillary would get to re-write history even better than she has done to date. She would also flog the 'loving widow' gig.

She'd soon fall in a heap though. No ideas and a total reliance on the 'white pig' at home to hold her up, even stepping in when she is 'overcome by heat and dehydration. Heat and dehydration now being attributed to Hillary 'over-working', as womyn do of course.

There are thousands of deserving, very able women who could play Hillary off a break any day of the week. What prevents them from coming forward, or having done so getting the nod and support, is a problem worth studying.

Hi onthebeach

I wonder, regardless of gender, why can't America produce better candidates than the 2 dysfunctionals for President?

For example former speaker of the US House of Reps, John Boehner, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Boehner looks well qualified and respected.

Also the 2 Vice-President candidate look better than the 2 actual Presidential candidates.

Australia, Canada, NZ and UK seem to produce able PMs - What is America's problem?

Pete

Pete (plantagenet),

My first reaction is, would Australia be any different? What would prevent that possibility, either way, ie., if by open election or if the (Party) winners got to nominate?

I believe that much of it is not caused by, but made infinitely worse by the amount of other people's money that politicians have at their disposal for electioneering (donation policy needs attention) and also for employing spin masters (taxpayers' money wrongfully being diverted to political ends by the government of the day).

Also, the internal processes of political parties make a mockery of democracy in the selection of suitable candidates.

However, the job of a politician has been made very nasty, including by tabloid journalism, the rise of a plethora of 'think tanks' that are thinly disguised political outfits and the common wrongful use of the discoveries by psychology of what makes humans tick.

Talking about the last-mentioned, the very powerful Hegelian Paradigm, which is the tool of the nastiest propagandist, is very popular in politics and used by the media too. -Especially by the ABC(!), where some younger producers imagine themselves to be the molders of a different, 'Progressive' Australia that is to their own liking. Producers whose first response is to use 'racist' and various '-phobe' words and without comprehending the real meaning.

In that environment and only a few negatives have been mentioned, who might struggle to the top in politics and why? Australia has produced some examples over that last twenty years that invite study. Here is one,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFELLK8htKM

At the end of the day though, there is no better system of government than democracy. We need to be very careful though, because there are always those who are challenging it and their first target is freedom of speech.

Those are just some random thoughts.

Amen to Democracy onthebeach

But the devil is in the detail about the electoral system that delivers democracy.

- the Westminster system of Aus, Can, NZ and UK where voters vote MPs in with the Party having the most MPs permitted to form a Govenment.

- the US has a system where any potential President seems to need to be personally wealthy ($100 million each) to attract the odd $2 Billion to personally get elected.
- Hillary and Bill US$111 million http://moneynation.com/hillary-clinton-net-worth/
- Trump US$4.5+ Billion http://www.forbes.com/donald-trump/#4d81c604790b

The US governing parties (even State by State!) also controls the electoral system including voting slip layouts and different voting laws. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_ballot#United_States

Then there are separate votes for the US House of Reps and Senate.

Current problem - Obama seems so weak because he's a Democrat President who can't get legislation through the Republican dominated House and Republican dominated Senate.

A few days old, but some worthwhile info.
Too much to detail individually.

http://www.republicbroadcastingarchives.org/what-really-happened-with-michael-rivero-september-14-2016-hour-1/

Is Hillary faking her rallies?
Look at the images on the phones.
http://youtu.be/uVa2CZaHMNA