DreamOn
Atheists are more likely to learn? The Industrial revolution was made in theist Britain and US growth also. Atheists were in it but what advantage can be shown?
AJ
"The military is a necessary institution for which the existence of is not reliant upon a set of unfounded claims, unlike the useless behemoth that is the Catholic Church."
So if no-vaccination parents abuse kids, the atheists get off and theist families are shut down? You defend atheist soldiers rape?

Yes, nicknamenick. That’s exactly right.

<<So if no-vaccination parents abuse kids, the atheists get off and theist families are shut down? You defend atheist soldiers rape?>>

If parents who don’t vaccinate their children are child abusers, then that means that atheists get off scot-free and religious families should all be shut down. And yes, I therefore defend to the death the soldier’s right to rape. Rape is good so long as it’s not done by religious people.

But only if parents who don’t vaccinate their children are child abusers. Otherwise, my logic collapses.

Do you require any more clarification?

It's 7 am and you're drunk already?

AJ cannot debate intelligence, purpose and design in the universe actually comes from a Creator, because he cannot face the idea of his Creator. He merely attacks false religion a product of human behaviour and ignorance. I also am disgusted with false religion and superstition, but atheism is a belief system equally based in ignorance, it is not open to the idea of intelligence, design and purpose behind the Universe.

A lot of belief systems need to change, and be challenged by the reality of discovery of the nature of reality and good social order. God is revealed in character, behaviour and wisdom of ideas. The love and pursuit of that revelation and the sacrificial love for others including opponents as equal to the love of one's self is good social order for humanity.

Josephus: but atheism is a belief system equally based in ignorance, it is not open to the idea of intelligence, design and purpose behind the Universe.

Where do you get that idea from. Just because atheists refuse to be influenced by some silly ideas like Intelligent Design or the Purpose behind the Universe.

Why is there a need to believe there is a "purpose?" Does there have to be a "purpose?" The Universe is just there, no great plan, no purpose, it just "is." Wishing or wanting doesn't make it so.

nicknamenick,

What? Do your insinuations sound ridiculous when I say them outright? Why insinuate them then?

Furthermore, I responded to your question according to how it literally read. My response may have been difficult to understand, but I can assure you that deciphering your question was no easier.

Finally, nothing I have said (sarcasm aside) should suggest that I think rape committed by atheist soldiers is alright. If you can extract that from what I've said, then you can extract anything.

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Josephus,

You won’t actually address anything I say directly, will you? You just blather on in a meandering and directionless manner.

<<AJ cannot debate intelligence, purpose and design in the universe actually comes from a Creator, because he cannot face the idea of his Creator.>>

Why is it that you think I can’t face such an idea? I spent half my life revelling in it. Why would that be any different now apart from a lack of evidence?

<<… atheism is a belief system equally based in ignorance… >>

Once again atheism only has one tenet, so it cannot be a system of beliefs.

Although, I would agree that atheism is based on ‘ignorance’ in the sense that one can acknowledge what they DON’T know. Theism, on the other hand, is a based on ‘ignorance’ in the sense that it is protected by what one WON’T know.

<<… [atheism] is not open to the idea of intelligence, design and purpose behind the Universe.>>

That depends on the individual. The problem is that you lot haven’t provided any evidence to suggest intelligence, design, or purpose.

<<God is revealed in character, behaviour and wisdom of ideas.>>

That’s not a very reliable method of revelation. For that to bear any weight, one would need to demonstrate what the above would look like without a god. What kind of a god plays silly buggers like that?

<<The love and pursuit of that revelation ... [waffle, waffle] ... is good social order for humanity.>>

A social order that history demonstrates can be achieved more effectively without superstition.