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Posted by Robert LePage, Tuesday, 30 August 2016 4:07:44 PM
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Move on Robert. The world has woken up to the hoax. We don't need your silly little games. There are far more important issues in life.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 30 August 2016 4:51:07 PM
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Move on, runner. The world has indeed woken up to your hoax, which is why nobody's taken the wager.
Posted by Aidan, Tuesday, 30 August 2016 4:55:13 PM
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wow, easy cash for runner around 30% interest.
Posted by nicknamenick, Tuesday, 30 August 2016 5:07:43 PM
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Robert LePage: The reasons why no one's taken your bet is because you misunderstand what the vast majority of climate change skeptics are skeptical of. Climate change skeptics don't "deny" that climate change is happening, rather they skeptically doubt that mankind is the major cause of climate change or they doubt that mankind caused climate change will have any major detrimental impact on humanity.
Anyone, who denies climate change happens would have to be either very, very ignorant of Earth's climate history or a lunatic. Personally, my take on climate change is: 1) Is climate change real and happening right now: Yes, absolutely-- it always has happened and will continue to happen as long as Earth has an atmosphere. 2) Does mankind's activities impact on climate: Yes, of course. However, many other things do as well such as: extremely long to long term astronomical causes such as the interplay of gravity between planets/the sun affecting Earth's orbit and its spin, to Earth's own long term inputs such as plate tectonics (eg: the position of the continents and mountain ranges) on the scale of millions to 100s-of-millions years to fleetingly short inputs such as fluctations in solar output on the scale of year-to-decades or volcanic activity on the scale of months-to-years. 3) Is mankind the greatest contributorto the current warming trend: Well, I think it's possible, but I really don't know. We simply haven't enough high quality data over a long enough time nor enough understanding to definitively say. Given a few more decades of data and research we'll probably be able to very confidently say to what degree mankind has and is impacting on the climate. --continued below. Posted by thinkabit, Wednesday, 31 August 2016 8:36:41 AM
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4) Now this is the big one, Is climate change an the biggest challenge we face today: Absolutely, NOT! The impact of climate change is barely worth mentioning compared to issues that really do/or potentially could have an impact of the health, wealth and wellbeing of us humans. For example, some of issues that really matter are: the state of the world's economy especially the price of energy (this is the biggest one cause this directly affects the price of food in the very short term- the vast majority humanity can live with the world having a few extra hot days- but they can't live more than a month without affordable food), access to cheap/free quality drinking water, global outbreaks of disease affecting humans that are not currently widespead/present but have devastating potential such as Bird Flu, Ebola, etc..., global outbreaks of existing or new diseases affecting food supply (especially cereal crop diseases), currently widespead diseases and illness such as HIV/AIDS, malaria, etc..., the political stability of the world, the rise of super-human AI technology (this is potentially a much larger problem than most realize but is at least a couple of decades away), access to quality education, and the list goes on and on. Compared to these immediate and near-term very real threats the decades-to-eventuate-possible-hypothetical threats associated with climate change are insignificant. Posted by thinkabit, Wednesday, 31 August 2016 8:37:41 AM
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-- continued from above-
4) Now this is the big one, Is climate change an the biggest challenge we face today: Absolutely, NOT!. The impact of climate change is barely worth mentioning compared to issues that really do/or potentially could have an impact of the health, wealth and wellbeing of us humans. For example, some of issues that really matter are: the state of the world's economy especially the price of energy (this is the biggest one cause this directly affects the price of food in the very short term- the vast majority humanity can live with the world having a few extra hot days- but they can't live more than a month without affordable food), access to cheap/free quality drinking water, global outbreaks of disease affecting humans that are not currently widespead/present but have devastating potential such as Bird Flu, Ebola, etc..., global outbreaks of existing or new diseases affecting food supply (especially cereal crop diseases), currently widespead diseases and illness such as HIV/AIDS, malaria, etc..., the political stability of the world, the rise of super-human AI technology (this is potentially a much larger problem than most realize but is at least a couple of decades away), access to quality education, and the list goes on and on. Compared to these immediate and near-term very real threats the decades-to-eventuate-possible-hypothetical threats associated with climate change are insignificant. Posted by thinkabit, Wednesday, 31 August 2016 8:39:30 AM
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' Move on, runner. The world has indeed woken up to your hoax,'
yeah Aiden like the hoax of the idiotic Greens/Labour who refused to build dams in Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane because they would never fill up. They will have the nerve to blame the next drought on gw. You guys are a circus however its not funny how the tax payer has been dudded for billions from the charlotans involved. Posted by runner, Wednesday, 31 August 2016 10:40:29 AM
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I have been trying to work out why climate deniers are so vociferous.
I came on some research about this and one reason could be that their brains are not wired to cope with the fact that we are all going to die eventually. so they rationalise by denying AGW. “Climate change is a threat that our evolved brains are uniquely unsuited to do a damned thing about.” Why Our Brains Can’t Understand Climate Change http://www.earthintransition.org/2015/11/why-our-brains-cant-understand-climate-change/ Posted by Robert LePage, Wednesday, 31 August 2016 11:10:13 AM
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It may be interesting to see how many deniers have sea-level house mortgages (Latin "dead security"). However MAD nukes are in the minds of most Yanks and Russians , thermo warming devices. Tobacco fuming is well known and lead petrol brain-death.
ahh....lead petrol on highways near towns..? Posted by nicknamenick, Wednesday, 31 August 2016 11:21:53 AM
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runner, you seem to have trouble distinguishing fantasy from reality. The Greens and Labor opposed some dams for environmental reasons (such as the one that would've wrecked the unique ecosystem of the Mary River in Queensland) and some dams have been rejected for economic reasons (they worked out more expensive than desal). But I can't recall any dams being rejected by Labor or the Greens (or indeed any politicians) on the grounds that they'd never fill up. And the claim is highly suspicious, for if hydrologists thought the dams would never fill up, they wouldn't bother putting them to the politicians.
Your claim also bears an uncanny resemblance to the false accusation that Tim Flannery had declared it would never rain again (when what he actually said was that the rain may not come, and it was clear from the context that he meant "before the dams are empty" rather than "ever". And considering that the droughts are caused by El Niño events, and global warming increases the frequency and severity of those, I think it's quite reasonable to blame the next drought on gw. Posted by Aidan, Wednesday, 31 August 2016 12:44:13 PM
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Robert ,
Ever thought of offering the bet using a data set other than GISS eg UAH? Because had you done so your escrow account would now be empty. Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 31 August 2016 12:46:37 PM
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New from Coles. Arctic Ice Cap. Down down staying down
Posted by nicknamenick, Wednesday, 31 August 2016 1:14:30 PM
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I had a Nigerian prince offering me $ms if I just put a few $1000 in his escrow account to help the transaction.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 31 August 2016 3:38:57 PM
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Robert,
What account will your bet take of paperwork fiddling ? Do you accept the actual read values or the fiddled values and at what date ? Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 1 September 2016 2:33:36 PM
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Well said thinkabit.
Hi Robert LePage, Of course I believe in climate change, (but don't tell anyone as I'll deny it) - whether or not it's from humans I'm not sure but I remain firmly in the climate denier camp because of the politics and propaganda, (Global government aspect) and because I think the issue is overstated like they are trying to sell me something and finally because the solutions to me don't amount to anything other than a tax on businesses and consumers. How does it help our country to buy shares in a foreign rainforest? Do I accept humans can cause climate change? Sure. I could potentially take a D10 Dozer myself and flatten a forest so that no life exists there and turn the place into a desert. Likewise I could pump effluent all over the GBR and kill that too. Not that I'd ever want to do either of these things. The Piri Reis map shows Antarctica without the 1 mile thick slab of ice on it. Surely humans have endured climate change already. http://www.ancientdestructions.com/piri-reis-map-of-antarctica/ If you want me to openly accept Climate Change you have to sell me a different solution. For my mind it makes little difference anyway and the current solutions will only make things worse. Society will move to renewables in the coming decades anyway, but we won't be able to afford to if we're sent broke first. If we don't keep our head above water and position ourselves right for the Asian Century the Chinese will buy us out completely anyway. They're walking around with breating apparatuses in their country, but they they can afford to buy us out. What threat is climate change exactly when Australians don't own Australia anymore? This is why I take a 'Power-Out-Of-It' mentality rather than a Carbon-Nazi stand. I truly do care about the environment, but I'd also be willing to pour diesel on tyres and light them up if that's what it took to save our country from being taken over or ruled by others. Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 2 September 2016 1:56:54 AM
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Various groups of fiddlers spread rumours that the rate of temp and CO2 increase is faster than a long time ago. Warming happened but it seems was unable to do it as well as humans fiddling with fuel emissions like VW does.
Posted by nicknamenick, Friday, 2 September 2016 7:43:39 AM
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At the start of year 2006 I offered a wager of US$1,000 to anyone who would bet against the proposition that a new record high global average temperature would be set within four years. I extended the wager to many thousands of people who have stated publicly that they believe Earth is not warming--- yet not even one of them would accept the wager. They refused to take my money.
Every year I extended the wager another year, to give the deniers of climate change a chance to put their money where their publicly-stated beliefs are. Now, after EIGHT YEARS of the wager existing, and after my telling a huge number deniers about the wager, not even one has accepted the wager.
This suggests they do not believe what they have claimed to believe. This suggests that they know Earth is warming, even if they reject all of the evidence that shows humans were and are the cause. What they state in public they do not believe in private.
That wager still exists, and I have added a second wager. The two wagers:
WAGER ONE: I, David Rice (“Desertphile”) will wager US$1,000 on the proposition that by the end of year 2018 there will have been set another record high global average temperature as recorded by NASA GISS’s GLB.Ts+dSST dataset. The current record high is for year 2014, standing at 14.68c
WAGER TWO: I, David Rice (“Desertphile”) will wager US$3,000 on the proposition that the decade of the 2010s will be warmer than the decade of the 2000s. That is, the average of the global temperature yearly average from year 2010 to 2019 will be warmer than the average of the global temperature yearly average from year 2000 to 2009, as recorded by NASA GISS’s GLB.Ts+dSST dataset. The 2000s decade value stands at 14.46c
I have an escrow account with the funds in place; anyone who accepts my wager(s) will need to place their money into the escrow fund. Talk to me: desertphile@warmwagers.org