So Mr Baird needs to explain why it is ok to cull unwanted race horses but its no ok to cull unwanted greyhounds.

Unwanted horses end up as pet food and the likes, so why cant unwanted dogs go to the likes of blood and bone fertilizer as an example. Is it any less humane to kill a dog as it is a horse?

At the end of the day, if you are going to use animal cruelty as your angle to shut down an industry, why does one get targeted, while the other sets its self to reap the benefits from increased interest.

To me, as a business man for most of my life, I watch on as politicians make knee jerk decisions like this, potentially costing thousands of jobs, at a time when just one lost jobs is one too many. Surely we have to come to the realization that just feeling all warm and fuzzy is not necessarily a strong enough motive to decimate an industry. Just look at the live cattle export, as this industry is still suffering from the Gillard brain fart.

It would appear there is no middle ground on this decision as Mr Baird appears to have made up his mind and that's it.

So what about the thousands you are about to put out of work Mr Baird, breeders, trainers, strappers, carers, cleaners, officials, track staff, vets, per food suppliers, the list goes on. To simply say we will work with those who loose this jobs are just words, because there are no jobs.

I would urge Mr Baird to look at alternatives.

Dear Rehctub,

Both are wrong, both should be frowned upon and cause other people not to befriend the perpetrators, but neither should be legislated against.

And once I shed my body off, once it is no longer needed for organ-transplants and scientific research, having the rest of it being used as blood and bone fertilizer seems a better option to what is available today.

You make a good point. Many horses end up in crayfishermems' pots. However, the culling of any animals merely for lack of performance is not right. Baird has the opportunity to have breeding strictly policed, and put a stop to culling. However, as a politician he is lazy and not very bright. If we were able to cull useless politicians, we might get some better solutions to every problem, and eventually get more capable people to do the job they are well paid to do.

They're livestock, get over it.
The other question is why isn't horse meat available for human consumption?
We're allowed eat just about everything else that swims, gallops or flies.
If eating kangaroo, goat and venison is acceptable,they are even considered delicacies by some, then horse should be on the menu too.

As a horse & dog lover, & breeder in a very small way, I can see nothing much wrong with culling.

From my human perspective, I would rather live for a few years, than never have existed at all. Without racing few greyhounds & a lot less horses would be breed.

Both Greyhounds & race horses are potentially very valuable animals. Both are at the top of their prospective tree in value. To have any chance of reaching their potential value they must be given the very best of everything from birth to completing initial training. It is only then that their ability can be judged.

We have had a couple of slow young racehorses, & a couple of old past it, race horses we used for various equestrian activities. Some have the wrong temperament for slower sports, & are dangerous if given to kids. Often the best competitors are difficult horses to master, not at all suitable for kids at pony club. However a large number of slow & old race horses find a successful life at pony club.

Yep, I'd rather have the chance, than never be born.

//So Mr Baird needs to explain why it is ok to cull unwanted race horses but its no ok to cull unwanted greyhounds.//

The guy who headed up the Special Commission of Inquiry into greyhound racing - Michael McHugh - is intimately involved with the horse racing industry.

I smell a rat.

//Surely we have to come to the realization that just feeling all warm and fuzzy is not necessarily a strong enough motive to decimate an industry.//

The Liberal government have. It's all about the money. It's always about the money.

It's well known that the trots are fixed; I suspect the same is true of a lot of horse racing. It's a lot harder to fix a dog race when there are no jockeys controlling the dogs. A 'legitimate businessman' can make a fair packet from dodgy betting, and if he should happen to share some of his largesse with his political chums in return for them shutting down a competing industry then so much the better for everyone.

Everyone, that is, not involved in dog racing.

I smell a big, dirty rat.

//It would appear there is no middle ground on this decision as Mr Baird appears to have made up his mind and that's it.//

That's how it goes in NSW at the moment. Maybe if we got a Kickstarter campaign going to come up with a bigger bribe than the 'legitimate businessmen' used to buy them off we could save the dogs. Otherwise, I reckon we've got buckley's.

What type of people are involved in greyhound racing? Are they likely to be movers and shakers, rubbing shoulders with the rich and powerful?

Thoroughbred racing on the other hand....

No one is going to go after the sport of kings. But the sport of peasants is fair game.

....No one is going to go after the sport of kings. But the sport of peasants is fair game.

Mhaze, this has nothing to do with sport, it has to do with animal cruelty, and therefore why is it that culling under performing greyhounds is any less humane than culling under performing horses.

Surely cruelty can not take sides of have favourites.

Personally I don't care but I do know there are a lot a jobs at stake, and given we have fewer jobs on offer, any of these who find a new job, will more than likely take it from someone else.

//What type of people are involved in greyhound racing? Are they likely to be movers and shakers, rubbing shoulders with the rich and powerful?

Thoroughbred racing on the other hand....

No one is going to go after the sport of kings. But the sport of peasants is fair game.//

Exactly. Good post, mhaze.

//Personally I don't care but I do know there are a lot a jobs at stake, and given we have fewer jobs on offer, any of these who find a new job, will more than likely take it from someone else.//

Don't you get it, rechtub? Baird doesn't care about dogs, or horses, or even other people. He cares about the magnitude of his bank balance. That is all; end of story.

Do you really think he gives a sh!t about how many people his brilliant plan will put in the dole queue? He doesn't worry about that; welfare is a Federal problem, not a State problem. The only concerns he has about his policies is to what extent they will directly benefit himself and his mates. Us plebs can go fornicate ourselves.

In France, horse meat is available at butchers and is prized by some. I have eaten it, and it is quite edible, so I don't see why horses shouldn't be treated differently from cattle and sheep.

However, I don't imagine that there would be much of use in a greyhound.

There is no argument that can justify the cruel and barbaric pursuit pf greyhound racing.
To my knowledge the disgusting business has been given numerous opportunities over the last 40 years in NSW to clean up its act, and has failed to do so. Noq its time for the 'dish licker' brigade to pack up in NSW and take a hike!
Good move Mr Baird.

I guess this is no surprise, but no reply to my email from Mr Baird yet.

Butch, there has been a slow, but steady, move by people of conscience to outlaw disgusting acts of animal cruelty. greyhound racing is just the latest in a long list of such disgusting pursuits to be targeted. In my view horse racing should join the list which includes bear baiting, cock fighting and greyhound racing.

The old chestnut from the apologists "Oh! it will cost jobs!" Did the apologists jump up and down when motor vehicle safety was improved and saved lives, did they howl "Oh! it will cost jobs in the funeral industry!"

Some regressive members of the NSW National Party are calling for the Greyhound business to be given another 3 years to carry on with its cruelty. The Nationals are a mob well known for their tough stance on crime, lock em' up, throw away the key mentality, no second chances.Yet strangely this mob want to give these criminals, not a second chance, but their umteeth chance to mend their ways, they have had 40 years to my knowledge with no result. These "dish lickers" have been given countless chances over the years, without the slightest improvement

"Former Greyhound Racing NSW on-track vet Dr Greg Bryant has spoken out on the ABC's 7.30 program in support of the shock decision to ban the sport in the state, despite threats to his family from greyhound trainers."

"I was disgusted by what I witnessed. I saw some horrific injuries and I saw some of the worst aspects of human behavior too," said Dr Bryant, who was an on-track vet in 2014 and 2015.
"When I left Greyhound Racing NSW, my view of the industry was that it was a very cruel and corrupt industry."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-14/the-tail-was-torn-off-former-greyhound-vet-reveals-cruelty/7629906

Yet the Greens support 1080 poison as a feral animal control,
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

Is Mis, its all double standards. They want to shut the world down, yet enjoy the benefits of the industrial world from cars to travel in, roads to drive on, houses to live in and good old electricity.

What else would you expect.

Paul, ill bet the vet put his invoices in hey!

As for costing jobs, are you suggesting it won't cost jobs?

Where do you propose they seek alternative employment?

Butch, can you please show the link between greyhound racing, and the benefits of the industrial world from cars to travel in, roads to drive on, houses to live in and good old electricity. So we have greyhound racing to thank for all those benefits, do we?

"Where do you propose they (greyhound people) seek alternative employment?" Given their demonstrated intelligence levels, cleaning out shot houses! They should be in jail! I don't care, just as they don't care about the animal cruelty they inflict. You seem to be so concerned about them, employ them in your chop shop

In the first legislative move to put the nail into the coffin of this disgusting business in NSW, the Legislative Council voted last night 19/12 to ban greyhound racing in NSW. Despite Labor and The Shooters, and a bunch of "dish lickers" in the peanut gallery, trying to frustrate proceedings the government got the legislation up with Greens and cross bench support. Mow its to the lower house where the legislation is expected to pass.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-11/greyhound-racing-ban-bill-passed-by-nsw-upper-house/7718580

In a savage move by greyhound people, Two men have been charged with threatening to kill New South Wales Deputy Premier Troy Grant over the State Government's decision to ban greyhound racing.
Both men, aged 22 and 31, are members of the greyhound racing industry and one reportedly has connections to the Bandido bikie gang.
A check of the Shooters Party web site, the leading political support of greyhound racing in the state, indicates no condemnation of these atrocious threats, but rather nothing but praise from Robert Borsak for this disgusting pastime and its people!

Is Mise, as a Shooters Party supporter please explain why there has not been any condemnation of these vile threats.

It's about a deal between Baird and the Greenies to put units on Wentworth Park greyhound track in Glebe suburb in Sydney.

Glebe is very close to the Sydney city area and this land the Wentworth Park greyhound track is on is worth multi millions to a developer.

So Baird agreed to ban greyhound racing if the Greenies supported his Wentworth Park development idea.

Now the animal libbos see this as a green light to make all sorts of ruddiculous demands like ban horse racing, ban working dogs on farms, etc.

PollySolly, welcome to the forum, I can see from you first 3 posts, you and I are going to get along just fine.

When making claims on the forum it is a good idea to be able to substantiate those claims from time to time with evidence, when called upon to do so.

Take this from you for example " So Baird agreed to ban greyhound racing if the Greenies supported his Wentworth Park development idea.

Now the animal libbos see this as a green light to make all sorts of ruddiculous demands like ban horse racing, ban working dogs on farms, etc."

Where is your evidence!

Paul452,

The deal between Baird and the Greenies was reported in the newspapers last week I think.

2GB explained how the Animal Libbers will seize on this greyhound thing as they have long sought to stop all interaction between humans and animals. Peter Singer has been carrying on about this stuff recently.

http://www.2gb.com/article/ray-hadley-animal-welfare-lunatics

If U R aware of the UN Agenda 21 U will immediately recognize what this is based on.

PollyFolly , I failed to find any evidence to back your claim in the link to 'Shock Jock' Hadley. if you have some decent evidence I will certainly look at it.
The evidence of the character of greyhound people might be shown in the Orange courthouse shortly. Any comment on the actions of those who are charged with making threats on the life of Troy Grant.

No matter how you look at it, greyhound racing is a vile and disgusting business. The sooner this evil pursuit is consigned to the dust bin of history the better.

Despite death threats from some mongrels, from within the greyhound business, and despite certain politicians selling out, the legislation to outlaw greyhound racing in NSW was passed 49/30 by the lower house last night. From 1st July 2017, anyone caught conducting greyhound racing in NSW faces a one year jail term, and a $11,000 fine. I'm not a Liberal Party supporter, but I must say; WELL DONE MIKE BAIRD.