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The Forum > General Discussion > The question on gay marriage is prety simple now.

The question on gay marriage is prety simple now.

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Achieve instant marriage equality and save even more than $160M - no plebiscite is required to repeal the Marriage Act!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 7 July 2016 9:03:08 PM
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It's fascinating that people who've just voted for a party that is promising budget deficits over the forward estimates of $100 billion (or $84 billion is you support the other side), who think its fine and dandy to spend $80 billion so that people can download their pirated content quicker, suddenly discover fiscal rectitude when the money is being spent on things they don't like.

It seems that for some people, monetary policy is completely unfathomable but is the policy you fall back on when you can't think of any other reason to oppose what you don't like.

Yuyutsu, we already have marriage equality. Everyone has an equal right to marry any member of the opposite sex they choose without interference from government, church or any other power structure, something that has developed in the past 50 years in western liberal democracies and is pretty much unique in human history.
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 8 July 2016 11:47:07 AM
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//Everyone has an equal right to marry any member of the opposite sex they choose without interference from government, church or any other power structure//

All that's going to change is that everyone will have an equal right to marry any non-related adult they choose without interference from government et. al.

Hardly a radical shake-up.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Friday, 8 July 2016 11:55:14 AM
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Toni Lavis:
“All that's going to change is that everyone will have an equal right to marry any non-related adult they choose without interference from government et. al.

Hardly a radical shake-up.”

Don’t they already have this? There is no need for any kind of shake up. What is going to change except that same-sex couples will have a note from the government saying that the government has decided to call their relationship a marriage? Why should they care what the government thinks about their relationship?

Unless there are good reasons for changing the legislation then it is all a waste of time and money. Do you have any good reasons?
Posted by phanto, Friday, 8 July 2016 3:27:32 PM
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//Unless there are good reasons for changing the legislation then it is all a waste of time and money. Do you have any good reasons?//

Equality.

I agree that your position of repealing the legislation also supports equality. But that's not what the plebiscite is about. If you think that is what the plebiscite should be about, then it is incumbent on you to lobby the Government to adopt that position.

But leaving the legislation neither changed nor repealed is not good enough.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Friday, 8 July 2016 4:30:48 PM
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Toni Lavis:

Equality is just a concept. There is no such thing as an equality. There are only things like equal rights to practical advantages or like the right to vote or the right to move about freely or the right to marry.

Since everyone already has a right to marry then there is no inequality in that regard. The only inequality is that some heterosexuals do have a certificate but since the certificate gives no practical advantage to those who have one it is worthless. Making all this fuss about a worthless piece of paper makes no sense.

"If you think that is what the plebiscite should be about, then it is incumbent on you to lobby the Government to adopt that position."

It is incumbent on all of us to do that including same-sex couples because there is no reason for having government involvement in any marriage and if the government is wasting time and money by being involved in any activity which it does not need to be involved in then it should concern all of us. Changing the legislation just makes a bad situation worse .

What is the point in making a bad situation worse to get a worthless piece of paper?
Posted by phanto, Friday, 8 July 2016 5:01:39 PM
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