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Bremain redux

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It's actually quite fascinating witnessing a profound shift such as we've seen in the UK.

One summation was that the whole thing came to a referendum because its sole purpose was to settle divisions within the Tory party and field a challenge to UKIP.

Another likened the result to a dog chasing a car only to amaze itself by catching it....where to next?

"'If you've got money, you vote in ... if you haven't got money, you vote out'"

"What defines these furies is often clear enough: a terrible shortage of homes, an impossibly precarious job market, a too-often overlooked sense that men (and men are particularly relevant here) who would once have been certain in their identity as miners, or steelworkers, now feel demeaned and ignored. The attempts of mainstream politics to still the anger have probably only made it worse: oily tributes to “hardworking families”, or the the fingers-down-a-blackboard trope of “social mobility”, with its suggestion that the only thing Westminster can offer working-class people is a specious chance of not being working class anymore."

"We all know the cruel irony that sits in the midst of all this story: that Britain – or what is left of it – will now take a sharp turn to the right, and the problems that have fed into this moment will only get worse. Well, there we are. History is rarely logical; until it really bites them..."

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2016/jun/24/divided-britain-brexit-money-class-inequality-westminster?CMP=share_btn_tw
Posted by Poirot, Saturday, 25 June 2016 8:30:47 AM
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This vote demonstrates the inherent instability of Capitalism. Frighten the people enough and they will do exactly what you want.

If its not the Treaty of Versailles, then its the European Union. The trouble with Europeans, they never bothered to learn to speak English. I think its time Germany invaded Poland again!
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 25 June 2016 9:10:13 AM
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What about the ramifications for AU that Grahamy is delighted about. Turnbull crying on the brit PM's shoulder by phone. I bet that helped, he wouldn't even know who he was.

AU sacked Abbott and the brits have sacked the EU. Sounds fair to me.
Posted by doog, Saturday, 25 June 2016 9:24:00 AM
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The sad thing about Brexit is that it took 40 years for them to wake up to what was happening. Some say Britain left it too late, but they can now try to rebuild a decent society again.

How long will it take for Australia to wake up to the follies of multiculturalism and high immigration?

We should look at what muslim immigration has done to the UK and what is happening in Europe and take action. The suggested Utopia of multiculturalism never happened and wont happen. The mess of the Middle East and ISIS is the most likely scenario. The muslims have been telling us for years that their long term aim is to take us over and impose Sharia law.

How many more terrorist attacks and how many more girls raped before our politicians wake up. Only a week ago they killed 19 girls because they would not voluntary become sex slaves. Yes they burned them alive in a steel cage. This is the true face of Islam. What about New Years Eve in Germany or the gang rapes in Sydney in 2000? Or the 1400 girls raped in UK? Do we just ignore these happenings.

No we need action now. Britain may have left it too late but we have not and we can start at this election by ignoring the major parties and voting anti immigration.
Posted by Banjo, Saturday, 25 June 2016 9:30:10 AM
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Banjo's post ably sums up the disaffection felt by many of those who voted "leave".

When I studied history at uni, we were taught that historians looked at things either from a macro or a micro level. Historians will have a fun time dissecting this referendum and the machinations that led to Brexit.

On one level - one that is devoid of economic argument - it was emotion and passion and disenfranchisement that led to a "leave" vote. Many feel a kind a alienation in their country where the trickle-down is either non-existent or trickles anywhere but where they are. There have been numerous reports of people voting leave because they didn't really expect it to get up - and would now change their vote. Others merely brought into the "foreigner" question - having been consistently tweaked by the likes of Farage and his supporters - and voted accordingly.

The second most googled question by UK residents after the result was "What is the EU?"...which displays the kind of disengagement that abounds in some quarters....scary ignorance in fact!

And then there appears to be a feeling that so much of the push was concentrated on race/religion that nothing else was taken into account.

"A pyrrhic victory? Boris Johnson wakes up to the costs of Brexit"

"“If we are victorious in one more battle … we shall be utterly ruined.”

"In theory, Johnson woke up on Friday morning having won the war...."

"He has everything he ever wanted. It’s just that somehow, as he fought his way through booing crowds on his Islington doorstep before holding an uncharacteristically subdued press conference on Friday morning, it didn’t really look that way."

"The scariest possibility, however, is that he actually meant it. That like most of Westminster, Johnson always imagined we’d grudgingly vote to stay in the end. That he too missed the anger bubbling beneath the surface, and is now as shocked as anyone else by what has happened."

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/a-pyrrhic-victory-boris-johnson-wakes-up-to-the-costs-of-brexit?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Posted by Poirot, Saturday, 25 June 2016 10:01:58 AM
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Poirot
But you're against free trade and profit is evil, remember? You're only making an exhibition of your complete confusion and constant self-contradiction.

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All the Bremainers are just sore losers because their elitist statist totalitarian bullying and creed of unlimited government power and endless confiscation got its come-uppance for once in a blue moon.

If the case against Brexit is only that Britain will face protectionist policies from the EU, that's an argument against protectionism, not in favour of Britain joining in with their hostility to human freedom.

All the arguments for Bremain come down to a single false assumption that government is the magic fountain of all economic and social goods; and a desire to get something for nothing by having the State take it from someone else.

In the final analysis, Bremain is nothing but infantile whining for handouts from Germany: pathetic. They deserved to lose many times over.
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Saturday, 25 June 2016 10:14:06 AM
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