"Labor’s Invite to Thousands of Illegals

Labor has pledged to end uncertainty for legacy asylum seekers by granting permanent settlement to thousands who arrived by boat under the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd government"
[The Courier Mail today]

Rudd's ghost walks again, in the guise of Willie Shorten. How could Labor be so damn stupid? Vote buying from the victim industry who will be rubbing their hands at the thought of $billions of taxpayer dollars for many years to come.

Competition with the Greens for far left votes in marginal seats. Contempt for the opinion of ordinary Labor members.

The people smugglers are back in business, thanks to ALP politicians who should know better.

Yes beach, predictably stupid would be one word to describe this idiot.

Including the expected family reunions, Shorten will be adding 150,000 which for comparison, is close to 5 (FIVE) times the natural population increase of Queensland and almost all on welfare forever.

Bill Shorten,

Supporting jobs and growth in the people smuggling industry.

Any difficult questions, in fact any questions at all and Willie Shorten bungs on those wide-eyed, innocent Doe-eyes so reminiscent of Hollywood starlets starting out, that his image makers must believe are necessary to overcoming public distrust of him.

Or is it a carryover from the Trade Unions Royal Commission, "Who me, Justice Heydon?". So innocent, shocked and easily hurt.

Those Doe eyes and his exuberant support for all things gay, overwhelming enthusiasm volunteered even where the question hasn't been asked, could place him at risk of some cheeky moves while mingling in the 'more vibrant' social spots. Perhaps Chloe should go along to protect him, "The real faux Willie will be back after the election".

Just the usual pack of liars, lying for the lying liars party. Disregard.

mikk,

Since you believe that The Courier Mail is lying, perhaps you would be so kind as to correct its report that,

"Labor has pledged to end uncertainty for legacy asylum seekers by granting permanent settlement to thousands who arrived by boat under the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd government"

No problem here, Colonel Beach at the head of his right wing para-military band of the good people, that is his well armed regiment of Citizen Militia, shall drive these unwelcome interlopers, all 150,000 of them into the sea!
Beach will be ably assisted by the Forums gang of right wing usual suspects! They are lining up already.

"Competition with the Greens for far left votes in marginal seats" Shows how much Beech knows, always claiming to be an insider on all matters Green, the Green votes of these far lefties, would through preferences flow back to the Labor Party anyway. Why would you bother.

Paul,

How are the new arrivals settling in. Are they accepting the green concept of gender fluidity?

Excellent Shadow, our niece aged 30 arrived from New Zealand in January, straight into a $80k/year health managers job (she had it lined up before she left NZ). Renting a unit (sharing with another Kiwi girl) in very good Eastern subs location (in Turnbull territory) and saving money to boot. Been back to NZ already at Easter, and off to the Gold Coast for a week soon, gee those refos are doing well. Her boyfriend has been over since and is migrating in August, to work as an Engineer, something to do with water supply/filtration what he does in NZ now. Yep the new arrivals are settling in very well. both are learning English and hopefully will be able to read and write soon, bloody Maori! No dole for those two, niece should get a nice tax return having only worked 5 1/2 months, the economic migrants!

Paul1405,

You and your creative storytelling. You have new ones for each occasion. Anything is possible on the Internet.

Now, having indulged yourself, might you have anything pertinent to contribute where the OP is concerned? Here, to repeat from post number one (and The Courier Mail which is celebrating a significant birthday),

<"Labor’s Invite to Thousands of Illegals

Labor has pledged to end uncertainty for legacy asylum seekers by granting permanent settlement to thousands who arrived by boat under the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd government"
[The Courier Mail today]>

Paul,

All very well, and I wish this pair of migrants from a former part of NSW all the best, one hopes however that they learn Australian vowel pronunciation!!

I think the problem here is someone thinks the murdoch limited news press is believable, trustworthy, unbiased. Poor deluded soul.

Winning or losing is the name of the game in an election
year. Therefore it should not be surprising that in
an election year the focus on issues like asylum seekers,
and playing the "scare card" with other issues like union
affiliations will benefit the Coalition.

After all "stopping the boats" was one of the Coalition's
big successes. Australia's hard-line on immigration is unlikely
to change any time soon. Every vote counts in what promises to be
a close election.

What Mr Turnbull and Mr Shorten say next could well be the
difference between winning or losing.

Here's a link on what other countries do about asylum seekers:

http://www.smh.com.au/national/asylum-seekers-what-other-countries-do-20120813-244fs.html

Foxy,

2011? I think that you would find things very different now.

mikk, the Murdoch gutter press hold an 'editorial meeting' daily to see what dirt they have on the Labor opposition. During election time several of their rubbish writers, please don't call them journalists, are assigned the sole task of creating anti Labor propaganda. This is simply another beat up with the purpose of playing the fear card and spooking any of the readership, like Douggie and Donna Dunger, that might be wavering with their vote.

'The Courier Mail' is a must read for any self respecting Queensland knuckle dragger, just see the opening post. We in NSW are not left out, Murdoch caters for the neanderthals south of the boarder as well, we call it 'The Daily Telecrap', same rubbish different masthead.

Is Mise, I did mention to you I think, a couple of months back that we had our niece from NZ staying with us, my partners sisters daughter. Took a few weeks to find her a suitable flat near her work, with rents in Sydney the way they are, $320 plus uts about $40/month, to share a 2 bedroom unit, Niece met up with another Kiwi girl her age who advertised for a flat mate on line, and things are working out well for her, in a sunny modern unit in Turnbull territory. Pay wise, working in a little bigger practice here, her pay is double what she was getting in New Zealand, the same story for her boyfriend, although they will not be living together, she is very religious (Mormon) he has a married brother and his family in Sydney, so he'll be ok one of the extras call it family reunion. Only wants to stay a couple of years, save some money, then she thinks she/they will move to Canada or England to see what its like over there. Economic migrants, John Key the NZ PM complained to Abbott about the skill loss across the Tasman, well NZ needs to pay better. Very sharp these NZ refo's, know how to get the tax number, Medicare, get Aussie phone plan (a must), join a gym near home, even got an Opal card for the bus and train, now wants Aussie driving licence, has a NZ licence, why I asked.

English lessons are coming along fine, although I told niece don't say SIX while your in Australia!

Dear Shadow Minister,

Here's a link that is more current:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-28189688

I stated in my previous post that each of the leaders
of the major parties and the media that supports them
shall focus on whatever issues they feel will benefit
them be it asylum seekers or medicare.

It may be of interest to watch "Q and A" tomight with
Mr Turnbull as the guest.

cont'd ...

Ooops - sorry for the typo. Here's the link again:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-28189608

Dear Shadow Minister,

How to deal with asylum seekers will remain a complex
issue no matter who wins the election.

Just to jog a few memories here's a link that sums
up its past history:

http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/r/spn/131002-SPN-bg.pdf

Foxy - A link from August 13, 2012 is not very relevant now as in most countries the population are against what the so called leaders of that country are doing about the growing numbers of so called refugees.

Your second link 404 - "Page not found"

Too many economic refugees, and totally ungrateful people who for example in Germany demanded money not food.

There are lots of real refugees but sorting the trash from the treasure is a virtually impossible task.

As Fox says,

Memories: Rudd 2007-10, Galah'd 2010-13 and Rudd 2013,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0MHRSFz6FM

Dear Philip,

Of course there will always be people who will
abuse the system. But in this discussion the
30,000 or so referred to by the Courier Mail
were already assessed as being genuine refugees.
What Mr Shorten is proposing regarding these
particular refugees is apparently old news - and
therefore the Courier Mail is not representing the
truth. John Howard had already promised then a path
towards permanent residency. Then many changes
occurred in government. Things got delayed and more
hard line policies were put in place. If this was
not an election year - this matter would not have
arisen. But it is an election year - and finger-
pointing is a game that's being played.

The "Page not found," link was due to a typo.
It was rectified - you may want to read it
as well as the other link I cited.

The point that I am trying to make is that
this being an election year both leaders of the
two major parties will milk the "fear card" for
all its worth. Pointing out the "faults" of their
opponents be it regarding asylum seekers, unions,
medicare, health, education, tax cuts for the
big end of town and anything else they can
resurrect.

The challenge for voters is to look
beyond the spin (including from the newspapers
that support them) and decide which party they
think will be good for their families, and the
nation. And what kind of society they want Australia
to be.

I personally am still trying to decide who to vote
for. With that in mind I shall be watching Mr
Turnbull on "Q and A" tonight. I trust it may help
me make up my mind.

Paul,

We all know that you are unhappy with any newspaper that does not submit its articles for approval by the labor/green ministry of truth as does the SMH and ABC.

As for your niece, has she been able to decide her gender by herself without the help from the labor/green ministry of love?

Foxy,

The rolling disaster of the asylum seeker crisis was caused by the idiot Rudd dismantling the Pacific solution in spite of promising before the election not to, the most significant cock ups were the dismantling of off shore processing, the removal of TPVs, and the refusal to turn back boats.

Now in spite of Shorten claiming to maintain the coalition's successful policies already he is promising to eliminate the TPVs, stop boat turnbacks, and has a near majority of labor MPs wanting to stop off shore processing. Essentially we can expect the same chaos as under Juliar.

Dear Shadow Minister,

You've lost me with your derogatory use of terms
like "Juliar." I find that totally inappropriate
to this discussion.

Hi there Shadow,

Good to see you are at your pugnacious best, I thought as you aged, not so much like a fine wine, but more like a gorgonzola cheese including the mold and the smell, you might be loosing your tough. Not so, with that erroneous claim that; "We all know that you (Paul1405) are unhappy with any newspaper that does not submit its articles for approval by the labor/green ministry of truth as does the SMH and ABC." The truth being both remain two of the very limited sources of independent and unbiased news reporting within Australia.

Do not be concerned that the News Ltd gutter press should ever publish anything favorable to Labor or The Greens. Firstly, senior management are carefully vetted for any possible leftists leanings, or past history of socialists sympathies. Once it has been established 100% that the applicant is "the right sort of chap" and only then is he employed in any kind of editorial position. This process continues right down the line to the level of 'rubbish writer' your Andrew Bolt's and Piers Akerman's and the token female on board Miranda Devine, In this way 'he who must be obeyed' can rest soundly at night, as can you, knowing fukk well the truth shall not see the light of day!

Paul,

Being independent, means that one is not owned by any special interest group, which means that the SMH is no more independent than Newscorp. As far as bias is concerned, the SMH doesn't even pretend to try. It contains very little original news, but full of opinion pieces that spruik labor/green view points or policies with little to no criticism.

As for the ABC, with 85% of its journalists being either labor or greens supporters is far more subtle to bypass the charter requirement for political balance by focussing on stories that promote the left whinge agenda and ignoring those that don't, even getting caught out printing unchecked falsehoods.

Foxy,

The point is that the 3 yrs under Gillard saw a mixture of fantasy half truths and outright lies. Remember the east Timor solution she promised in 2010, and the lie that the increase in numbers was due to a push effect? The consequence was >1200 dead and 50 000 illegal immigrants. In 2013, it became clear even to labor that a strong deterrent was required which included, off shore detention, TPVs and boat turn backs, which the coalition used to stop the torrent of illegal boats in a couple of months.

Labor seems to be suffering from group amnesia and promising to repeat the same rolling stuff up that Rudd perpetrated by removing TPVs, making turn backs transparent, which will stop them, and settling those in off shore detention.

Lunacy is repeating the same actions and expecting different results.

"People-smugglers appear to be using next month’s election to dupe asylum-seekers into believing they can make it to Australia, according to refugee advocates in India.

One boat made it to the Indonesian province Aceh last week with 44 people — Sri Lankan Tamils — on board. Efforts to push the boat back to sea yesterday were unsuccessful. Another boat, also carrying Tamils, believed to be bound for Australia was intercepted off the southern tip of India a few weeks ago.

People-smugglers had been telling asylum-seekers “that change is around the corner” with the election approaching."

Dear Shadow Minister,

There are other perspectives and opinions from people who
were actually involved with having to deal with Australia's
hard-line on asylum seekers:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-27/coalition-boats-policy-morally-indefensible-says-john-ingram/5220886

Why are they even called the Labor Party?
They seem to be about everything except the needs of the Australian worker; to simply keep him in slavery and servitude.

'Labor' Party is a misnomer.

The ordinary members get their say in a way. But their opinions carry no eight whatsoever in a Party that has for many years, from Whitlam, been dominated by a Fabian-inspired elite who love to dabble in social reengineering and profess loyalty to international socialism, and by union thugs who live the high life and stiff their own membership.

Astounding that so many vote by habit, never realising that where they continue to do the same they will get the same done to them. There will be NO change.

However the Greens are not the answer. Just another crew of elitist, middle class knobs who polish Senate seats and never knock back any entitlements they can take to the max. Here is an example,

"GREENS Senator Larissa Waters spent a whopping $414,000 to fit out her trendy Paddington office – more than any of her Queensland political colleagues at the time.

The office, on the top floor of a pristine-condition, split-level building on Given Tce, includes a rooftop patio with timber outdoor furniture and artificial turf."
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/queensland-greens-senator-larissa-waters-spent-414000-on-fitout-for-paddington-office/story-fnihsrf2-1226889449998

-An expensive refurb of an already executive suite in a small niche suburb surrounded by less well off 'burbs with plenty of new and existing office space with incentives including free rental period to lease.

Foxy,

Your link is typical of the ABC's blatant bias. Because the journalist would get fired for expressing his biased opinion, what he does is find someone with the similar opinion then grant him an glowing reference coupled with uncritical airing of his opinions, throw in some unfounded allegations, and fail to give any glimmer of consideration of the contrary opinion.

What he failed to mention is that the allegations of assault on the asylum seekers was a lie, and that many sailors felt traumatized with having to retrieve the bodies of women and children.

Dear Shadow Minister,

It is such a shame that you don't provide us with
evidence to substantiate your claims that the
accusations made were a lie. Equally the entire
government denials, as well as its
secrecy at the time, simply showed the damage their
hard-line policy was doing to the Australian Navy's
reputation.

The asylum seeker's
claims should not have been ignored - and the secrecy, denial, and
attempts at brushing
the accusations aside - only did more damage. Hence John
Ingram's disgust at having the navy used for political
purposes - when it's their job to protect people.

ABC biased?
I've heard that sort of logic previously.
Usually from people whose views are not worthy of
consideration.
I am surprised to hear it from you.

I look forward to our next discussion. I have nothing further
to add to this one.

Shadow my dear boy, your daily consumption of No News Ltd putrid swill as penned by their collection of rubbish writers, masquerading as journalists, such persons as the barely literate Andy Bolt, the joke Akerman and the token female 'Bubbles' Devine is causing you mental hallucinations. You are now guilty of believing their distorted fabrications, continually repeating them, ad nauseam.
For example you say "As for the ABC, with 85% of its journalists being either labor or greens supporters" is that a No News Ltd fact! What percentage of the gutter press are conservative supporters. 100%.

Beach, when are you going to stop sitting on the fence and really start to put the boot into the left of center parties like Labor and the Greens. Not forgetting that you claim to be a political moderate! You must fine it difficult at these election times not to come straight out and urge people to vote for your beloved Pauline and her One Nation ratbags.
Can we now take it that the Labor Party is no longer run by Fabians, but rather by a Fabian-inspired elite, and you managed to slip in one of your favorite old chestnuts, Senator Waters and her office. No mention of those wonderful VLAD laws you are so fond of, you must be slipping.

Foxy,

Firstly the information was published a month or so after so please look it up. Secondly the ABCs assumption that navy personnel that had rescuing 1000s of asylum seekers for years in a well trained and respectful manner without a single incident, suddenly went rogue, as reported by the people smugglers with clearly vested interests in defaming the naval personnel, and not confirmed by anyone else. Yet the ABC assumes the worst and reports it as fact.

The inquiry found that there no basis for this and that the testimonies of the personnel involved were consistent with accidental burns on the motor exhaust which was unprotected. And the navy has never given answers to such allegations without an investigation, and neither do the police. So no secrecy here.

As for the bias of the ABC, it is clear from the complete absence of discussion on subjects that don't reflect its "progressive" agenda for example the endless articles on the asylum seekers, their stories, their feelings on Nauru etc, but an almost complete silence on the 1000s dying at sea.

Paul,

I can imagine the spittle on your screen, almost as though you had forgotten your meds. PS the results for the Australian were about 50/50. unless you include Graham Richardson etc as conservatives.

If you want real news and analysis, don't waste your time on the ABC or SMH.

Dear Shadow Minister,

I wasn't going to continue with this discussion.
However I feel obliged to do so because you
are making claims without any evidence to
substantiate your claims.

This reminds me
of the Howard Government's accusations of
desperate asylum seekers threatening to throw
their children into the sea. He added that -
he didn't want "people like that."

Problem was, it wasn't true.

This time around it was the asylum seekers
accusing the navy of brutality while forcing
their boat to turn back to Indonesia.
Which you claim is a falsehood. I have found
no evidence of that. You have failed to provide
any. However the government at that time also
denied the claims outright. Their
stance is very similar to your own. The claims
are not only denied but those making them are
depicted as less credible because they have
vested interest in not being truthful. After all
they are attempting to come to this country
"illegally." Therefore of course they must lie.
What appears to have been overlooked is the
common denominator - that is the lack of
transparency and the refusal to get to the
bottom of serious allegations when they are made.

There are several troubling aspects of this saga.
There appears to have been no attempt by
Australian officials to interview those making
those claims. Secondly is the refusal to reveal
precisely what did happen when the asylum seeker's
boat was turned back under a policy opposed by
Indonesia, and how some asylum seekers came to
suffer burns.

The danger of blanket denials in the face of
accusations and total secrecy as an article in
The Age points out - is that inadvertently
it encourages less than best practice by those on
the "front line," because they do not appear to be
held accountable. And as he adds - "If the
operational imperative of secrecy concerning "on water"
matters is considered paramount there should be a
mechanism to investigate claims promptly by a third,
independent party, with the findings then made
public."

cont'd ...

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-indonesia-asylum-idUSBREA1903F20140210

http://www.amnesty.org.au/news/comments/38332/

Foxy,

That's disgraceful, you want proof that the navy didn't torture the people smugglers, yet you have yet to offer any proof that they did.

The question is who is more credible, the people smugglers or the navy which has no record of this type of behaviour ever.

Dear Shadow Minister,

You show me yours.

I've shown you mine.

Enough said.

Foxy,

You haven't shown me squat.

Dear Shadow Minister,

I can't be held responsible for that Sir.

Shadow, do I need to buy a cope of 'The Daily Telecrap' and read Piers Akerman's latest diatribe to find out what your going on about?

Could try wwww,nonews.crap and read all about it.

Foxy,

You have not provided a single jot of evidence that the navy caused the burns. That the asylum seekers were trying to enter Australia illegally and were frustrated by the navy is in any court a significant motivation to fabricate a story. In the link below, the photo of burnt hands shows burns that are clearly far from recent and probably predate the turn around by a week or two.

Your reasoning that the navy would lie is incoherent as even wrt the children overboard issue, the navy was not implicated. The implication that the navy or the police use the silence on operational matters to cover up torture is ludicrous.

Dear Shadow Minister,

The following information was released by
Amnesty International:

Report: "By Hook or By Crook - Australia's Abuse
of Asylum Seekers at Sea."

http://www.amnesty.org.au/refugees/comments/38329/

And -

http://www.amnesty.org.au/refugees/comments/41864/

Sweeping things under rugs, denial, lack of transparency,
secrecy, is anything but "ludicrous."
Still, to each their own.

Foxy,

Again nothing but unfounded allegations by criminals.

Hi Foxy,

You must remember Shadow sees 'Amnesty International' as a criminal organisation, guilty of sticking up for evil asylum seekers.

p/s I an guilty also, as I am a member.

Paul,

If idiocy was a crime then indeed you would.

The problem with these issue based organisations is that eventually they get hijacked by political advocates, and amnesty international is not immune. I was a member of the RSPCA until I realised that most of the discussion had now moved beyond just protecting animals, and had become a group strongly advocating vegetarianism and veganism.

Similarly AI has left its original base of investigating human right abuses and been hijacked by political advocates of a wide spectrum of imaginary rights in fields as diverse as feminism, gay rights and asylum seeker advocates. These advocates are so smug as to the righteousness of their causes, that they no longer feel the need to filter out some of the more blatant falsehoods from their literature, and as a result has lost a lot of credibility.

The same crap happened with the anti bullying program safe school which morphed into a gay sex advocacy program.

Dear Shadow Minister,

No matter what is presented to you - you seem to
find some excuse to knock it back.
There is no point therefore in continuing this
conversation.

Dear Paul,

Amnesty International has a reputable reputation.
They deal with facts. They presented their
findings in the Report: "By Hook or By Crook -
Australia's Abuse of Asylum Seekers at Sea."

http://www.amnesty.org.au/refugees/comments/38329/

It's worth a read as they keep politics out of their
report. They merely report their findings.

See you on another discussion. Staying on this one I
see is a waste of time.

Foxy,

When you confuse innuendo and supposition with fact, then conversation becomes difficult. The AI report to which you refer is rich in the former, but sorely lacking in the latter.

The problem with all of this is that the Australian Navy broke no laws, and if they had of, then the activists would have been all over them like a rash.

Dear Shadow Minister,

I don't want to argue with you any further.

I shall however, think about what you've stated and
discuss things with the man who influences me the
most - my husband. Now I'm a tad tired so I'm going
to have a bit of a lie down.

Talk to you later.

With a typical superior conservative attitude Shadow reprimands the good humanitarian work of 'Amnesty International'. How condescending can one get, knowing nothing of the organisation, or the fine work being done by many of its committed members. Shadow would rather have us believe they have a "problem". The problem being their failure to toe the line and respect the authority of his born to rule brigade in the Liberal Party, and their masters, as they go about trampling and trashing human rights with revolting regularity, their disgusting treatment of asylum seekers, as they strip innocent people of all semblance of dignity and hope. So much for human rights where Shadow is concerned!

Paul,

What irritates me about left whingers is their linear thinking. The AI does good things therefore every word from their lips is "like a shaft of gold when all around is dark".

AI, especially its website has become political and ideological, picking sides and eroding its reputation and support according to The Economist:

http://www.economist.com/node/8888792

AI is fond of claiming that Aus is acting illegally in its treatment of asylum seekers, yet is unable to point to any actual law being broken, it backs Hamas over Israel etc.

Dear Shadow Minister,

The UN has found that Australia's treatment of asylum
seekers violates international law and that Australia ignores
their international law obligations. The Human Rights Law
Centre is one of many sources that lists the laws
violated. All you have to do is Google these things on the
web.

http://www.safecom.org.au/lr-breaches.htm

As for supporting Hamas? That is simply not true.
What is being supported? Human Rights!

Dear Shadow Minister,

Excuse my typo.

Here's the correct link:

http://www.safecom.org.au/hr-breaches.htm

We need a referendum to ditch the UN. What a useless unelected propaganda machine. Constantly railing against Israel while in bed with Hamas and other terrorist organisations. And Foxy wants us to listen to their rot. People are starting to wake up to the dumming down of universities, national broadcasters and the political class who use the UN to somehow validiate junk science, open borders and anti family crp.

Some imagine that those who blindly go along with human rights outfits, in this case Amnesty Oz, are the 'do gooder' Pollyannas they superficially appear. But when they demonstrate bias by continually reject facts out of hand preferring negatives or even conspiracy, they make it clear they are ideologically driven activists.

Where criticism of Australia is concerned there has always been the large rump of culturally cringing leftists, moral BS artists, led by the very false, self-promoting talking heads such as Phillip Adams. Gentleman farmer (thanks to the missus and hired help) and life-long bore on the ABC. He and his poseur leftist mates have never been the 'do gooders'.

They are in fact 'do badders' whose carping Oz-negging undermines the good work done by the many, politicians, public bureaucrats and business people, who are putting their backs and creativity into Australia.

Back to Amnesty Oz, it is a fact that human rights outfits do attract a certain type of serially dissatisfied person, serial activists, many with nothing better to do (no work, they are on welfare), who do not believe that the normal democratic arrangements allow them to have the impact to bring about the type of society that THEY want. That they do not believe that the available access to politicians to influence decisions is worrying. Not all members of those outfits would be like that.

Just to say that the members of human rights outfits entities are just as prone, most likely far more prone than the general population, to bring their personal biases and even grudges along to influence assessments, statements and 'policies'.

However, unlike participation in the democratic process that results in transparency and criticism in the Parliament, what is done by those human rights groups is never subjected to the independent scrutiny it is due.

Of course Amnesty Oz is pitching political lines and that is so apparent where people smugglers are concerned, and their way is NOT what Australians say they want and have voted for.

Gentlemen,

You need to substantiate your claims with evidence.
Ranting does not produce anything constructive.
Apart from perhaps making you feel better. But
it adds nothing of value to the discussion.

I will like to ask this question before i go straight to my public announcement out here. If getting a legit loan online was so easy as stated in all this fabricated / duplicated loan testimonies that i have been reading through online, then why was i and my lovely husband turned down for a loan online five times after been scammed of about $42000 Australian Dollars? Its just how a very close family friend gave me and my husband an email of a reliable loan firm know as Derek Barlow loans. With a big surprise I got my loan amount worth $456000 Australian Dollars. contact him with the following email: derekbarlowloans@yahoo.com if you have scammed before now and also you still do need your loan amount to be financially upright.

Foxy,

As you pointed out the UN human rights commission headed by Saudi Arabia, and featuring a large array of dictators with despicable human rights records has issued a statement condemning Aus. You must forgive me if I need to take that with a shovel of salt.

As for evidence, you have yet to provide any.

Hi Foxy,

Your not going to get anywhere on human rights with the Three Stooges... Shadow, Beach and Runner. Shadow gets the goss on Human Rights from 'The Daily Telecrap', Beach from 'Mein Kampf' and Runner reads all about it in the 'Inquisition'!

I like the one from Shadow; I was a member of the RSPCA until I worked out they were a bunch of Commie subversives.

I like the one from Beach; I was a member of the Boys Scouts until I worked out they were a bunch of feminist Fabians.

I like the one from runner; I was a member of the CWA until I worked out they were a bunch of devil worshipers.

I love the one from Paul,

"I was a member of the Greens until I realised that they were a bunch of narcissistic inner city jerk offs."

Dear Paul,

Life is
so short and we should make the most of it.
I've spent the afternoon visiting my
mother at her nursing home. It's always such a great
experience and puts things into perspective for me.

See you on another discussion.
I've overstayed on this one

Thanks Foxy, so true life is short. Been out for a good time with friends just got home.

Bad luck Shadow there's NO SECOND PRIZE!

Paul,

Bad luck, there is no prize for last place either.

Dear Paul,

We'll see what happens next week-end.

Who would have thought that Mr Shorten, a few years
ago, would have been able to unify Labor and present
such a challenge to the Liberal Party. He's got to
be given credit for that.

//Bad luck Shadow there's NO SECOND PRIZE!//

//Bad luck, there is no prize for last place either.//

You guys made me think of this:

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Toni,

You look happy in the photo.

Hi Toni, it all depends how seriously one takes themselves on, what are we talking about this time, oh yes 'Open Season'. On the 'Serious Meter', I only score my sparing partner Shadow a 1 out of 100, but then again I only score myself 2 out of 100, and there are some on here I score even less than us two. I liked your comment and pic, I did laugh, which is important and I like to do often.

Cheers, keep well.

Well looky here....

"Crime syndicates and people smugglers are involved in widespread rorting of Australia's work and student visa programs, according to whistleblowers and a former top immigration official.

The claims come as the immigration department is facing more than 100 allegations of corruption, including suggestions that some immigration officers may be supporting the rorting, a Fairfax Media and ABC 7.30 investigation can reveal.

Immigration chief Michael Pezzullo has referred 132 cases of alleged corruption involving immigration officers to the under-resourced federal law enforcement watchdog in the past 12 months, more referrals than the watchdog has received in any year since its creation in 2006.

The revelations point to a failure to deal with endemic crime in Australia's visa system involving some licensed migration agents and education providers, and a thriving cash-for-visa black market."

"A former Immigration Department investigations head has alleged "fear mongering" on refugees and asylum seekers has been used to deflect attention from the real problems in the immigration system.

Joseph Petyanszki, who jointly headed the department's investigation office between 2007 and 2013, said the department had ignored tens of thousands of cases of rorting perpetrated by migration agents and dodgy employers who game the student and work visa systems to allow foreigners to pay for entry.

Mr Petyanszki's investigators uncovered thousands of fraudulent visa applicants in Victoria, South Australia, Tasmania and Western Australia. In most cases, no charges were ever brought."

""In the border security debate, it has been easy to deflect the public's attention to boat arrivals. But this fearmongering has totally ignored where the vast bulk of real fraud is most significantly undermining our immigration programs," he said.

The Fairfax Media-7.30 investigation includes interviews with two whistleblowers, and a covertly filmed sting, which captures a fixer saying that for $50,000 in cash per foreigner, his syndicate can create phantom jobs and visa sponsorship.

The revelations suggest corruption infects every level of the visa supply chain – migration agents, employers who sponsor workers, education providers and immigration officials. There is little effective deterrence for perpetrators."

http://www.theage.com.au/national/corruption-and-crime-syndicates-threaten-australias-border-security-20160622-gpp72z.html#ixzz4Cj5JWo9