runner,

"...It has far less harm than teaching kids to experiment with oral sex, anal sex and any other kind of kinky sex..."

None of that is on the Safes Schools site...although, it's kinda interesting, don't yer reckon, how the likes of you and others around here are obsessed with that kind of thing.

"...Having a healthy fear of God is certainly far better than the regressive ideology that we came from slime and have no real purpose in life..."

Well ah'll be!

So telling vulnerable kiddies things like: "every single person has sinned and rejected God and deserves to be punished" is a good thing is it?

Here we have kids who struggle to understand how God can come down from Heaven, appear as a man, get crucified - as in killed - then come alive again and then rise bodily to this place called Heaven again to save us all from...er...something.

And if they don't accept him as their "saviour" - they should ponder their sinfulness and the fact they've ignored him and accept that they need to be punished?

That's good for kiddies, is it?

"....the regressive ideology that we came from slime.."

Sorry to break it to you, runner, but if you were able to peek inside your body, you'd be apprised of the fact that you are in fact mostly slime - as are we all.

It's a wonderful biological system that allows you to eat and sleep and work and play and move around on the planet - gosh, it even let's you partake of forums like this one.

I don't think, however, that it's designed to allow you to be hung on a cross, killed, and then appear to your cohorts fully alive sometime later.

The problem is that Poirot is unaware of her own hypocrisy.

Poirot,

Seriously? Roz Ward comes in with a bunch of union lawyers who give the university 2 days to reinstate Roz or face legal action. That is blatantly an ultimatum with a threat. And as a lawsuit backed by the cashed up unions would even if the Uni won, would leave them with a bill for $100 000s and tie up their resources for years.

So no I don't think that the Uni's back down was more tangentially involved with the law, but more with avoiding union based lawfare. Similarly your question as to whether I agree with conforming to the law as somewhat fatuous.

As I stated previously, for Roz Ward, this is a Pyrrhic victory as after threatening her employers, her future at La Trobe is limited, and other potential employers won't touch her with a barge pole.

//oral sex, anal sex and any other kind of kinky sex//

When did oral sex become kinky?

Hi runner & OTB,

On this point, I'll staunchly defend Poirot in her suggestion that all propaganda should be kept out of schools.

Runner, I certainly don't think that evolution is propaganda, it's been so thoroughly tested and, in fact, has been extended and enriched by all manner of research, from archaeology to zoology, and from developments in genetics and a host of other sciences. There's nothing left to refute it.

As for the outmoded notion that 'all cultures are equal', that's taking a bit of a beating these days, what with tribal societies, such as that which Islam springs from, and Aboriginal societies - and all traditional societies for that matter - demonstrating extreme levels of violence and the devaluation of human beings, particularly women. Judge a 'culture' by how its adherents treat their women and kids: that might give any PC-oriented child reason to doubt the 'equal culture' theory.

Cheers,

Joe

otb,

"The problem is that Poirot is unaware of her own hypocrisy."

Okay...why don't you explain it to me?

Religious nutters and their right-wing compatriots start a campaign against of program highlighting respect and tolerance...as per usual.

On the bandwagon they climb, hysterically flinging around terms such as "anal sex, oral sex, penis this, penis that" - you know, the same old same old "sex is rude" - and we're going to dictate how the zeitgeist should go in the 21st century.

Sorry, otb, but I find it a whole different kettle of fish to compare a program that champions respect - to one which teaches children about a fantastical God/man - who tells us that we are all born in "sin" (separateness from "God) - and for that we should expect to be punished.