Is Mise, please define "unlawful attack", a madman coming at you with a machete. or an angry neighbor abusing you over the back fence about your barking dog. I suspect a shooting could take place in both cases given the way you want the citizens armed and ready to defend themselves.

You are happy for the drunk bloke who just lost his job sitting on the seat in the street, to have a gun, the angry fella next to you on the bus who just found out his misses has got 5 kids to another bloke, the woman going off in the supermarket about the overcharging, and the driver you just cut off when changing lanes, your happy for all these people and others, to carry a loaded gun. Because that is exactly what you are saying.

Beach read Justice Alan Wilson's independent report. At what point did that gun go from being legal, which it must have been at some stage, to being illegal. Gun don't know their legal position, guns just kill people.

Paul,

Just debate my statement that you asked for, flights of fancy are not necessary; logic will be quite enough.

Have a read of http://www5.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/num_act/hipa1998n109408.pdf

Is Mise the reality is you are happy for every Rambo nutter you can name to carry a concealed firearm as a so called self defense measure. How many deaths by guns are you willing to accept so you and other gunnies can carry on enjoying the perverse pleasure of shooting.

Talking of perverse pleasure. That NSW Shooters and Hooters Party cretin, the slimy Bob Borsak has been photographed with the carcass of an endangered majestic elephant, he killed when on a so called safari in Africa. The grub claims he only kills wild life to satisfy his huge lustful appetite for dead meat! Borsak had this to say "I choose to hunt and gather my own meat because it is my right to do so." Although Borsak is the size of an overstuffed porker. Greens MP Jeremy Buckingham interjected, asking : "Did you eat the elephant?"

Borsak replied that he had.

Jeremy said the revelation was disgusting.

"It's sick to shoot and kill an elephant for thrills, and it's revolting that Mr Borsak would eat the elephant," Mr Buckingham said. "He's unfit for office."

We very much doubt Borsak ate the elephant at all, but shot it to satisfy his perverse pleasure of killing.

Any comment on Borsak?

Paul,

Just debate my statement that you asked for, flights of fancy are not necessary; logic will be quite enough.

Is Mise, people get angry, people lose their tempers, people have crises moments in their lives, people do things they later regret. Its not flights of fantasy at all.

Take that farmer and cold blooded killer, Ian Turnbull, he may have been a "good citizen" when he was given a gun licence. Later on circumstance turned him into a cold blooded killer. Do you support giving gun licences to cold blooded killers. If you did not protest the issuing of a gun licence to Ian Turnbull then you will have to admit you agreed with a cold blooded killer having a bun licence!

Nothing to say on the subject? Nothing to say about Borsak, that's what you vote for!

Paul,

Paul,

Just debate my statement that you asked for, flights of fancy are not necessary; logic will be quite enough.

Just logically destroy the proposition and that will do.