Jayb, graziers in western regions of NSW & Qld are fighting kangaroo wars with plague proportions of roos. The only difference I suppose, they are having to fight it against the inner-city greenies, who want the rest of the country "natural" in recompense for the totally synthetic abomination they inhabit.

Hi JayB & Hasbeen,

On an SBS program last week, a young woman described cities - as viewed from great heights - as 'splats'. I presumed she was a Green supporter, a member of the Rightful New Ruling Class, the intelligentsia and bureaucracy, for who people are splats. Cow pats. Worthless en masse, although of course, incredibly precious if inducted as favoured and unique individuals into the RNRC.

Of course, nature and humanity can co-exist, or keep co-existing since we have done for some time now. As someone pointed out, and partly thanks to higher CO2 levels in the atmosphere, plant life has bloomed over the past fifty years or so, with more free-life in Australia now than back in 1788.

The mass of plankton in southern oceans is increasing due to the same cause, and therefore more whales will frequent our shores.

I'm told that rainfall in West Africa has increased and that the Sahara Desert is in retreat as a consequence. The best news here is that this will mean more, and better fed and more healthy, West Africans. Wouldn't that gladden the hearts of the inner-city Elites ? Maybe not, over-population being also big on their agenda, i.e. the over-population of 'others'.

Cheers,

Joe

We have serious problems with the CSIRO claiming their CO2 readings are from some of the cleanest air on the planet. Wrong! Cape Grim is within the Roaring 40's, that whips the industrial airsheds of Argentina and Sth.Africa around the globe without stop.

The CSIRO knows this. It also knows that overpopulation is the reason for climate changes but because its payroll comes from Federal Governments whose economic growth comes from overpopulation the CSIRO never mentions the TRUTH. Instead they sprinkle fairy dust over the climate problem, make it sound unfixable and inevitable and nothing happens.

Further, there is a fact we are not supposed to know: Every year, every human (all 7billion) commits a 50 metre swimming pool of defecations into our oceans. This muck, particularly the floating fats and oils, stops CO2 absorption. So CO2 emissions whilst important are not as significant as the number of humans on the planet.

If you want to stop Climate change you must have laws worldwide to lower birth rates. No climate change = no nappy change!

Now the CSIRO won't tell that truth because they are paid by their political handlers NOT TO.

Further it ruins the main business model of most females on the planet.

But with women, I believe that once the truth is aired in large public placards they will do the right thing.

The fact that governments won't allow this in order to enhance economic growth by population growth.

What will happen now is a total climate breakdown even after extensive CO2 reductions. Lives will become unbearable and world war will erupt and rich politicians will inherit the Earth as they planned from the very beginning right under YOUR noses.

Australia can do its bit by stopping IMMIGRATION forthwith. Every immigrant that comes to Austra-leah leaves space for 2 or 3 climate killing babies and a population explosion in their old country. At least aussie girls can keep their business model if IMMIGRATION is halted.

Australia can do much to show the world how climate change can be managed.

But for God's sake Wake up Australia!

Hasbeen,

I don't dispute that there's more impenetrable scrub now, and I also know there are some areas with trees where there were previously none. But considering the vast areas cleared for cropping and grazing (and some forests destroyed by overgrazing) I find it unlikely there are now more trees in total. Do you have a URL for any of those studies?

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Loudmouth,

Desertification is certainly reversible, and AIUI great efforts have been made to do so around the edges of the Sahara. Water management is the key. As for rainfall in west Africa, I'm glad the drought is over but it won't be their last.

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KAEP,

Everywhere's downwind of somewhere. But Tasmania's a very long way from South Africa and Argentina, and the latter's not a particularly big pollution source anyway.

Overpopulation exacerbates climate change, but it is not the cause. Emissions are currently so great that climate change would still be a problem with a much lower population. The real problem is treating the environment as worthless.

Most humans do not poo in our oceans. Sewage does not form huge oil slicks. And waves ensure CO2 does get absorbed. Indeed so much CO2 is being absorbed by our oceans that it's created the problem of ocean acidification. [NOTE: this does not mean the ocean is getting more acidic than pure water; it isn't, but it doesn't need to to cause problems]

And birth rates are falling anyway, you don't need legal intervention.

Halting immigration won't help the global environment. You're correct that Australia can do much to show the world how climate change can be managed. But that depends on our taking the problem seriously. We could become environmentally sustainable, but so far we've chosen not to.

You are wrong on every count Aidan. And I think you know it.

Humans cause human caused climate change and the main problem is all wastewaters -including sewage.

I will produce papers to prove my points.

ITM 99% of humanity lives on or near rivers. They poo in the rivers or tributaries either directly or via leaching. IE 99% of all defecations and other wastewaters ends up in oceans where colloidals and oils weaken CO2 absorption and toxic chemicals kill sea vegatations which normally absorb the CO2.

Today's news

INDIA's Dying Ganges River:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-aad46fca-734a-45f9-8721-61404cc12a39

The sewer of half a million people and billions of farm animals.

Even if the Ganges' sewage was treated it would not eliminate the bulk of the fats, oils, colloidals, fine plastics and toxins that eutrophicate the Bay of Bengal and the Indian Ocean.

The only solution to climate change is to globally have strict birth controls to bring populations in line with healthy oceans which are able to properly eliminate excess CO2 from the atmosphere.