So here again we have the blundering fool knowing NOT what he says.

His proud announcement that there are now no illegal immigrant children in our detention centres has probably bought Turnbull a few bleeding heart votes. Not many as he has most of them. Bleeding hearts recognise a kindred spirit, & gravitate to each other, so he already has most of them.

However what he has done loud & clear, is announced to the people smugglers & illegals, that there is a new path to Oz for them. Just grab a kid, & you're in.

Turnbull will not want to put any new kids arriving into a detention centre, & lose his bleeding heart gloss, so he will have to let them, & their parents, [or custodians], lose in the community.

We all know it is almost impossible to get rid of any illegals, once actually lose in the community, so they are in free.

Bet the price of clapped out old fishing boats just skyrocketed in Indonesia. Get ready for hijinks on the high seas to our north, & a flood of illegals, but this time, with no one with the guts of Abbott to fix the hole in the dike.

How many blunders can this bloke make, before they get rid of him?

Settle down, Hasbeen....

You can rest assured that Dastardly Dutton has merely pulled a sleight of hand - and those menacing kiddies are all still safely incarcerated.

"The government has reclassified sections of detention centres as “community detention” in order to be able to claim that all children have been released from immigration detention"

"The immigration minister, Peter Dutton, announced on Sunday there were no children left in detention, but a source within his department told the Guardian the “release” was “more bureaucratic sleight of hand than emancipation”.

As an example, families with children in “held detention” in the “family compound” of Villawood detention centre were told by letter on Friday that their detention was now classified as “community detention”.

They have been “released” from detention without moving.

Restrictions on movement have been eased – children no longer require guards to escort them to school – but families remain behind a steel fence. The alarm on the fence has been disabled and a gate opened, but people need permission to stay elsewhere overnight, or have overnight visitors."

etc...

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/apr/03/asylum-seeker-children-still-in-detention-despite-claims-all-have-been-released?CMP=share_btn_tw

This will thrill you even more, Hasbeen,

"About 90 asylum seeker children in Australia to be returned to Nauru, Peter Dutton confirms"

"Immigration Minister Peter Dutton has confirmed dozens of children will be returned to Nauru, one day after announcing there were no children in mainland detention.

The Federal Government yesterday announced no asylum seeker children remained in Australian detention centres, with the final children being released from Darwin on Friday evening.

About 50 asylum seeker children remain on Nauru."

So never fear, Hasbeen, Slimy Dutton can always be relied upon to do the most sadistic thing.

Now you can go and do a little dance and crack a bottle of something celebratory...knowing all those tots and kiddies are being "taken care of".

Link to the above.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-04/about-90-children-to-be-returned-to-nauru-peter-dutton-says/7297320

Thanks Poirot, I agree with what Sarah Hanson-Young had to say on this so called release of children in mainland detention.

"Peter Dutton's sleight of hand and his willingness to use children as political pawns is deplorable," "While it's good to see the government being forced into releasing children from detention, it means nothing while the Minister plans to send them back to Nauru."
"Peter Dutton should allow these families and children to apply for visas in Australia, so that they can get on with rebuilding their lives in safety."

The Australian Greens also called on Minister Dutton to clarify the situation facing families and children who are still being held in the Villawood Detention Centre.

"On the very day he declares that all children are free, we find out that some are still in Villawood and have simply had the name of their detention facility changed," Senator Hanson-Young said.

"This sort of deception is deeply unfortunate but unsurprising from this deceptive Minister for Immigration."

Hasbeen, you will also be shocked to learn that they no longer pull detained childrens fingernails out as a form of punishment for bed wetting! Those bleeding heart liberals! Where will it end, with ice cream on Sundays for these terrible, terrible children.

Turnbull's stupidity will never end because, without the stupidity, he would not be himself. He is a very stupid and incompetent politician, put in the job and backed by other very stupid politicians. Abbott, for all his faults, would have won the coming election handsdown; now it is a neck and neck race, and the Coalition deserves to lose. The only way they can redeem themselves is to get rid Turnbull; which means another 3 years of Labor, then a return to Abbott or another leader who knows what the Coalition stands for.

Seems very much like Poirot preferred 1200 plus drownings than putting kids whose parents are happy to use kids as pawns being locked up.

Seems runner is happy to see little kids behind barbed wire - with the notion that we have to abuse them for the bigger picture.

Coz that's the kind of faux Christian he is....

Claiming to care about refugee lives counts for nothing when you're telling them to FOAD.

Drownings at sea are not acceptable, but if that were really the issue then we'd treat those who make the safe crossing from PNG to Sabai Island as if they'd arrived here by plane.

Unfortunately politicians find it easer to vilify refugees than to accept the blame for their own economic mismanagement.

If where they are coming from is as bad as our bleeding hearts would have us believe, the illegals should be kissing our feet in gratitude for giving them somewhere safe, to relax, while they try to find somewhere that wants them.

The great thing about twitter is you can block people who you find repugnant - so you don't read their guff any more...and you still remain in conversation threads.

Not so here.

Too true Poirot, the only thing runner and Hasbeen have not suggested to "improve" the camps is a sign over the front gate which reads

"WORK SETS YOU FREE"

That's correct Poirot.

Some cry crocodile tears and defend the rights of unborn children until they turn out to be little brown ones arriving in boats while pretending that it's potential drownings that matter and nothing else.

They would prefer them to die quietly somewhere else far away and out of sight to keep their conscience clean.

@Paul1405, Wednesday, 6 April 2016 4:50:48 AM

Your reference is contemptible.

OTB,
I very much have to agree with you - Paul1405 is a sick man and quite obviously an attention-seeking loudmouth.

Paul,

Your last post on another thread regarding wallabies, is similarly highly offensive to legitimate hunters.
As you obviously could never have known a legitimate hunter I guess you may have to be excused for your bigoted ignorance.
Freedom of expression is one thing, but outlandish libel is quite another however.

Salty, why don't you hop on over to that 'Wallaby Thread' and make comment there, Do I care one iota about your derogatory opinion of me ...no, it carries the same weight as the opinions of Beach, another pretender.

From the hard right posters, they pretend to be concerned about protecting the lives of refugee children, when in fact they couldn't give two hoots about refugee childrens lives, read Hasbeen's opening post does not contain one word about the well being of refugee children, he simply wants them locked up then deported, where he don't much care, but not here. The hard right have a simple philosophy that accepts the deaths of millions, including children, at the hands of the military, in such places as Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere, but just don't let any into Australia.

Paul,

I did not get into the wallaby thread because it purported to address a serious environmental issue but was substantially lacking in relevant background information.

As for your labeling of all shooters (or hunting shooters) as Rambos or such, you have my response - and that being from a licenced target shooter of some 40 years experience, and one who has found it necessary to pursue some limited vermin eradication by humane method from time to time.
I am also, and have always been, a staunch environmentalist.

As for refugees, the issue is much bigger than the trickle who have made it to Oz, so it can be far too easy to take a narrow view, and rush to an easy, touchy-feely response.
Nobody wants to be harsh, and genuine refugees most certainly deserve safe sanction, either here or in another welcoming and supportive situation.
However, it is necessary to take account of the bigger picture, of what is happening in Europe, Africa and the Middle East, as well as the indications that great numbers of those involved may well be deemed economic refugees.
I hate the idea of all of our detention centres, and particularly those off-shore - which should be closed post-haste - and would dearly like to see TPV's reintroduced urgently.
However, I would also like to see all economic seekers, all over, being eventually able to be repatriated to their home origins - and from whence they may in due course seek immigration if that is their desire.

What to do?
The world desperately needs some hard-headed, non-political vision and wisdom, and the sheer guts necessary to rid the world of all despots. Until then it would serve 'Oz' well to keep a low profile and exercise some diplomatic backbone on the sidelines of the developing furor.
Much now rests on how U.S. and Chinese relations evolve; for all else is mere 'chatter'.
It is my belief that the 'developed world' has much to answer for, and the human animal much evolution to achieve before 'we' may legitimately be considered 'human'.

Turnbull didn't make any such announcement ...

many churches are offering refuge to those the government intends returning to Nauru

Salty, I actually used the word MOST in relation to Rambo hunters, not the word ALL, they have different meanings. However I will correct myself and say I should have said SOME Rambo hunters. I cam support that with personal experience of a past work colleague, who along with his brother and a mate regularly went on shooting expeditions to western NSW to shoot kangaroo's. This fella on his return to work liked to boast to all and sundry about these drunken weekends, and thought it was a badge of honor to speak of the cruelty they often inflicted on their hapless targets. as I said some.

To comment on the rest of your post on refugees. Well thought out and I am mostly in agreement with what you say.
As for economic refugees, and many people are in fact economic refugees, but that does not make them criminals in itself. I have spoken to a number of refugees and their overriding consideration is wanting a better life, particularly for their children, and don't much care for themselves. I cannot blame people for that. Most refugees if it had been possible would choose to stay in their own country, but circumstances as they are force them to leave. We in Australia are lucky not to be subjected to this, and if we were, I'm sure many of us would be on the move, just as these people are.

Paul1405,

More of your creative storytelling. You pull that stuff out of the air.

Just to point out the obvious, the thousands of good citizens you catcall and vilify have all been certified by police and independently to be of good character and without criminal record. They are required and are of course willing to remain law-abiding, good, solid citizens.

You on the other hand have presented nothing, zilch, nada, nil, to prove your honesty, clean record, good citizenship and good motivation.

Then there are your outlandish posts which do not reflect well at all on your credibility, judgement and stability.

Beach, are you calling me a liar? Seems your are a forum stalker, my previous post was not addressed to, or directed to you, yet you see fit to chime in with an accusation of creative story telling. Then you claim I should prove (my) honesty, clean record, good citizenship and good motivation, it would seem to you of all people. Are you accusing me of being a criminal? That is rich coming from someone who once boasted on this very forum that they had taken advantage of some "city slickers" by selling land to them at an inflated price. Have you forgotten that boast?

There's a rumour that Malcolm Turnbull and Tony Abbott are planning to audition for the roles in the new movie Dumb and Dumber Free,

I see Turnbull is accompanied by a 1000 strong business delegation on his visit to China. More like a 1000 strong 'Sell Out Australia' sales team. I wonder how many of them are in the real estate business.