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Would voters want Australia with enough money, to pay off the Labor created $50 Billion debt; and build all the facilities and the roads urgently needed, with less taxes and 4% less on the dole.
It can be achieved by my elimination process and the formation of a democratically elected Federal Council as a Republic:-

TO BE ELIMINATED
All Political Parties and Independents.
Federal and State Backbenches sitting on both sides if the house while in session doing nothing.Federal,State elections and Bi-elections. Senate elections,salaries, pensions, perks and Double Dissolution elections. Savings= trillions of dollars.

Australia has 100's of political parties and a Senate. Divide the politically bigoted voters to all the above with the result of no major party, thus chaotic government ruining Australia.
The Alternative: - A government based on 2 simple principles. The principle of a committee and Local Councils, the majority of votes win.
A pre-requisite to be a Member of Parliament, an apprenticeship in Local Council must be served to get elected.
A democratically elected Federal Independent Council and States Councils and Local Councils.

All Councils in a Region elect the best Councillor. They will then elect the best Councillor who will meet other elected Councillors from every State Region. This group of Councillors will elect their State Premier, to form ratio of the Federal Council, that will consist only of PM and Ministers. The State will then elect enough Councillors to form the States’ Council. The Federal Council will elect the Prime Minister.
Benefits of this Government:-
Grass-roots problems direct to Federal Government. The Federal Council can vote out failed Ministers, they would return back to their State. The same to apply to the States’ Council. Councils can also have failed Ministers voted out.
Only one 4 yearly Local Council election.
More professional people wanting to help rule Australia must do an apprenticeship in a Local Council.

Australia cannot go forth and grow with these deadly costs. I need help from people with brains and money to take this idea further.
Posted by Argoon, Sunday, 20 March 2016 9:56:46 AM
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Argoon: just so that you know: one trillion is 1,000,000,000,000.

One trillions dollars is a lot of money, to put it in perspective the whole of Australia's yearly economy (GDP per year) is in the order of one trillion (it is acutally about 1.6 trilllion). In fact that whole of the planet's economy is about 100 trillion as a ballpark figure.

So do you really think that you will save "trillions" with your idea?

By-the-way: the cost of all politicians salaries/expenses/perks and their staff along with the cost of maintaining the electoral roll and holding elections (including the referendums we occasionally have) is insignificant compared to costs such as health and social security.
Posted by thinkabit, Sunday, 20 March 2016 5:03:48 PM
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Congratulations Argoon, you have just invented Soviet Federalism.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Sunday, 20 March 2016 5:21:47 PM
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Argoon,

Wow. Isn't megalomania fun ?

What you describe is uncannily like the current structure of the Chinese Communist Party, and we know how democratic that is. As well, some of us suspect that its economic miracle has something of the Wizard of Oz about it. We'll see in a few years.

Yes, democracy is a pretty lousy, messy system but it beats whatever comes second. And the CCP model is a long way down the list.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 21 March 2016 9:03:08 AM
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Dear Argoon,

When China takes over running Australia it will fix all of these problems.

The Chinese are busy at the moment securing the South China Sea so you need to give them some extra time before they can make a move on Australia.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Monday, 21 March 2016 11:00:44 AM
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Is it Argoon or, Ah, a goon? North Korea would be right up his alley.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 21 March 2016 3:14:29 PM
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Mr. Opinion,

You are really looking forward to a Chinese takeover of Australia, aren't you?
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 21 March 2016 3:16:33 PM
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I think you have all missed the point I was trying to make. You will still elect your representative and they will represent you in parliament (however it will be more like voting in Councillors not parties)they will discuss, rank the important issue and vote. You wills till get to vote and elect a prime minister. This system works well when all shire presidents/mayors discuss issue relating to the areas they represent.
Posted by Argoon, Monday, 21 March 2016 3:32:27 PM
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Dear ttbn,

I am angry that Australia is allowing it to happen. I have been critical for years about the way Australia has been embracing the Chinese as if they are the greatest thing to come along since electricity.

I don't trust the Chinese as far as I could throw them and I think the current situation in the South China Sea is showing that I might be correct. Have a look at some of the latest items I posted today on my thread 'Which Side Are You On?' and ask yourself why the Chinese navy is interfering with the operations off the Indonesian coast guard just 5 km off the Indonesian coast.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Monday, 21 March 2016 3:44:11 PM
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Ar Goon,

'TO BE ELIMINATED'.

Perhaps you could have chosen better words. But even better-sounding words would still give you away.

So parties would be illegal ? The country would be run like Leichhardt Council ? Is that what you mean ?

'ELIMINATED'. Too many of us know of that word too well.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 21 March 2016 5:32:36 PM
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Argon, do you mean ELIMINATED like the Nazi's tried to do with the Jews? Or like Stalin or Pol Pot did?

I think you need to be careful about what you write...I think you need help.
Posted by Suseonline, Monday, 21 March 2016 7:23:08 PM
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So the Goon really wants the Councils to run the country? Or is he still gripped by the nightmare he had before writing this rubbish. 'Prince' Leonard comes to mind.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 22 March 2016 10:04:38 AM
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I see that 'One Line Opinion' is still with us.
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 25 March 2016 6:13:35 PM
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Suseonline- I think you need to look up the word eliminated. When I went to school in the 1920's it meant excluded. I am talking about political parties not PEOPLE. Get a grip, perhaps I am not of the era of political correctness but I was hopeful that I might get an intelligent discussion on this page. Obviously looking at all the comments from the people posting here I was wrong because all they want to do is vent!
Posted by Argoon, Friday, 25 March 2016 8:49:13 PM
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What year in the 1920s?

You must be getting' on a bit.
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 26 March 2016 2:34:53 AM
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Argoon, have you heard the saying Birds of a Feather ?
Well that is how parties are formed. Politicians with similar opinions
flock together and form parties.
Heard of the Labour party factions ?

It is natural, you will not be able to stop parties being formed.
Posted by Bazz, Sunday, 27 March 2016 12:35:42 PM
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