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Vote for Trump.

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Dear Is Mise,

How is stopping Muslim immigration a case of self-preservation?

Not all Muslims are violent or fundamentalists.

Will stopping all Christians preserve children from
sexual abuse? Is that also not mad?
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 7:00:38 PM
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The fact is that the US Constitution forbids legislation aimed at a particular religion. I'm sure Trump knows that. I am also sure he knows his statements will appeal to a certain segment of voters whether it is or is not possible under US law. He is an unscrupulous politician.
Posted by david f, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 7:34:31 PM
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Foxy,

The Christians don't have a Holy Book that tells them that it's OK to beat their wives, lie to non-Muslims or to kill those who ,once in their power, refuse to convert to Islam or who're homosexuals.

People who are paedophiles are not Christians as they are not trying to follow the teachings of Christ.
They are denying His teachings and are therefore anti-Christian.
Posted by Is Mise, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 10:08:13 PM
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Is Mise, just like not all Christians follow the dubious 'teachings' of the bible, so too not all Muslims follow the Koran.
So what is your point, other than your obvious dislike of all Muslims, regardless of whether they are potential terrorists or not?

Trump uses the 'I will save you all from the Muslim terrorist hordes' mantra to appeal to ignorant, unintelligent voters who are looking for anything to take their minds off their otherwise mindless lives.

I feel sorry for all of them, but Trump is not the answer.
He is out for one thing....himself.
Posted by Suseonline, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 11:14:15 PM
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Dear Is Mise,

Matthew 7: 16 (KJV) Ye shall know them by their fruits. That’s in the Bible, and, unlike much of the Bible, it makes good sense.

It is more reasonable to judge Christianity by what Christians have done in the name of Christianity than by selecting passages from the Bible.

From my reading of history Christianity has a worse history than Islam.

Christianity is responsible for the Dark Ages. After Christianity became the official religion of Rome the empire made a great effort to extirpate classical culture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_persecution_of_paganism_under_Theodosius_I tells of the official Christian persecution of paganism.

“The Christian persecution of paganism under Theodosius I began in 381, after the first couple of years of his reign as co-emperor in the eastern part of the Roman Empire. In the 380s, Theodosius I reiterated Constantine's ban on pagan sacrifice, prohibited haruspicy on pain of death, pioneered the criminalization of magistrates who did not enforce anti-pagan laws, broke up some pagan associations and destroyed pagan temples.

Between 389 and 391 he issued the "Theodosian decrees," which established a practical ban on paganism; visits to the temples were forbidden, remaining pagan holidays abolished, the sacred fire in the Temple of Vesta in the Roman Forum extinguished, the Vestal Virgins disbanded, auspices and witchcrafting punished. Theodosius refused to restore the Altar of Victory in the Senate House, as requested by pagan Senators.

In 392 he became emperor of the whole empire (the last one to be so). From this moment until the end of his reign in 395, while pagans remained outspoken in their demands for toleration, he authorized or participated in the destruction of many temples, holy sites, images and objects of piety throughout the empire in actions by Christians against major pagan sites. He issued a comprehensive law that prohibited any public pagan ritual, and was particularly oppressive of Manicheans. He is likely to have suppressed the Ancient Olympic Games, whose last record of celebration is from 393.”

The Renaissance and the Enlightenment rescued Europe from the oppressive grasp of Christianity.

Continued
Posted by david f, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 11:52:48 PM
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Continued

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance

"The Renaissance's intellectual basis was its own invented version of humanism, derived from the rediscovery of classical Greek philosophy, such as that of Protagoras, who said, that "Man is the measure of all things." This new thinking became manifest in art, architecture, politics, science and literature. Early examples were the development of perspective in oil painting and the recycled knowledge of how to make concrete. Although the invention of metal movable type sped the dissemination of ideas from the later 15th century, the changes of the Renaissance were not uniformly experienced across Europe.

As a cultural movement, it encompassed innovative flowering of Latin and vernacular literatures, beginning with the 14th century resurgence of learning based on classical sources, which contemporaries credited to Petrarch; the development of linear perspective and other techniques of rendering a more natural reality in painting; and gradual but widespread educational reform. In politics, the Renaissance contributed to the development of the customs and conventions of diplomacy, and in science to an increased reliance on observation and inductive reasoning. Although the Renaissance saw revolutions in many intellectual pursuits, as well as social and political upheaval, it is perhaps best known for its artistic developments and the contributions of such polymaths as Leonardo da Vinci and Michelangelo, who inspired the term "Renaissance man".

The Enlightenment directly questioned the tyranny of Christianity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment

“The Enlightenment, ... was a philosophical movement which dominated the world of ideas in Europe in the 18th century. The principal goals of Enlightenment thinkers were liberty, progress, reason, tolerance, fraternity, and ending the abuses of the church and state. In France, the central doctrines of the Lumières were individual liberty and religious tolerance, in opposition to the principle of absolute monarchy and the fixed dogmas of the Roman Catholic Church. The Enlightenment was marked by increasing empiricism, scientific rigor, and reductionism, along with increased questioning of religious orthodoxy.

The greatest anti-cultural force in European history was Christianity.
Posted by david f, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 11:56:35 PM
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