Australia doesn't have a massive muslim crime problem - yet - because we have managed to keep the number of muslims down to manageable levels.

It seems that once the muslims achieve 10% of the population then things start to get....interesting.

I won't mention who we should thank for keeping the numbers under control because the mere mention of his name gives many here heart palpitations.

suse,
You said, "Banjo, why not deport and have an 'inquiry' into ALL sex crime criminals, rather than just the Muslim one's? I doubt Australia has the money for all these 'inquiries' into everything..".

You make silly statements and show profound ignorance constantly.

You should know that we cannot deport Aus citizens but be good if we could. There are some I would gladly get rid of. Deport non citizens by all means, after sentence served and lower the threshold to something less than 2 year sentence. Remove citizenship from those with duel citizenship.

But I take your point that what I advocate is too soft. I only advocate stopping importation of those groups that show contempt for our laws and social standards. I say again, irrespective of colour or creed.

Perhaps I should consider tougher measures that would reduce the importation of those that don't like us and at the same time promote social cohesion.

Actually Banjo there is I believe a loop hole if the oath was sworn on
the Koran then it can be considered a false oath as it has a clause
permitting lying to infidels.
If you take an oath that is a false oath, cancel the citizenship.
The same would apply in court.
Think how many could be deported under that ruling.

Mhaze, I am not impressed with your list of famous men who you think believed in invisible gods in the sky. I think the politicians amongst them would say they worshipped Atilla The Hun if they thought that would bring them votes. Just because one is a leader or scientist, or politician, that does not mean they can't be gullible in some other ways.

Bazz and Banjo, again I say you can't just bar a whole group of people because of their religion just 'in case' they may be hiding a terrorist or two amongst their ranks.
There is nothing you can ever say to me that will ever change my mind on that.
I look at the human race as a whole, and not in compartments, like you two obviously do.

Hi Steele,

I enthusiastically agree with your suggestion that

"there is a case for investing in classes on acceptable and accepted cultural behaviour for newly arrived refugees, particularly from certain areas. I know this is being done in at least one Scandinavian country and being considered in others."

Yes, indeed, not only new arrivals should enrol in classes studying what are basic human values, and therefore Australian values, but all kids in schools should have some explicit teaching/discussion/debate/argument about values. All kids should have some conscious introduction to basic ethics - not indoctrination IN ethics, but introduction TO them, to open their minds consciously to what should be right and wrong.

I do think that the coming decades will be times of ideological struggle which will focus on values, rights and wrongs, freedom versus obedience to some authority, and equality of women and men (a debate which may encourage a resurrection of what used to be called 'feminists'). We will get through the 'Islamist-Enlightenment' debate and move on to more fundamental discussions. I hope I live long enough.

Joe

Human beings are the most extraordinary creatures
and a big part of me still wants to reach an even
greater understanding about who we are. It's the
spirit of the human being that I've learned on
my journey that our spirit can be filled by these
encounters. Yes, I have met some bad people along
the way. But I have also met some amazing souls and
at times even the bad people have surprised me.

I'm no pundit. I have only my own life experiences to
go on. I'm still on my own journey to discovery.
Everything is relative, everything has its story,
and everyone has obstacles to overcome. They are
our greatest teachers.

I can remember quite clearly some experiences that were
not so pleasant growing up in this country, however the
pleasant experiences far out-weighed the unpleasant ones.
I can only trust that my own actions will not contribute
to another migrant's unpleasant experiences here that's
why I take people as I find them and try not to pre-judge.

If we all did that perhaps life would be less difficult.
One can only hope. Of course those who break our laws
are a different case. We are all supposed to abide by the
laws of this country. Social cohesion would be difficult
otherwise.