Folowing on from a court case at Surfers Paradise, where a refugee has been charged with attempted rape and sex molestation of up to 8 females, perhaps it is time an inquiry was held into the crime rate, particularly sex crimes, of those accepted as refugees.

I certainly have not kept an account of such crimes but I can recall some that have made the media pages. There was one at a swimming pool, another at a uni dormitory, at least one attempt to steal a child and now this latest charge. I wonder if OLO posters know of others?

Then we have the allegations from Germany in relation to NYE. Not forgetting the sexual harassment by Lebs at Cronulla beach in 2005 and the gang rapes of at least 60 girls in Sydney in 2000. There could be many other incidents that females did not report.

There seem to be quite a lot of these type of offences, given the low percentage of refugees in our population. Could it be that some refugees have a different set of values to us in regard to females and children and if so what do we do about that?

Should we be more discriminating in our selection of refugees or simply let our females be the sacrificial lambs for multiculturalism.

"Enquiries" merely identify that which we already know. And, we already know that there is no adeqate screening by our incompetent authorities now.

Australia has no need to take in 'refugees', who remain lifelong burdens for the country. The cessation of the ridiulous practice is the only answer, along with getting rid of the bad ones already here.

Banjo

u should know that the middle class white feminist (usually on the tax payer gravy train) only care about the warped feminist narrative. Open borders is part of that narrative unless you are hard working and want to contribute to the welfare of the nation. Like the abc they would prefer to focus on Abbott punching the air than multitudes of rapes by foreigners or masses of sexual abuse in the Indigenous communities. It is of course the racist Australian attitudes that causes these attacks in their minds. Remember how they banged on about Indians being raped in Melbourne (I think one or 2). Obviously they remain blissfully ignorant as to the way multitudes of Indian treat females.

The following link is worth a read for those
that are interested in the type of information
that is supplied by the Australian Bureau of
Statistics;

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-05-26/davidsonrefugee/2732220

point proven Banjo. Nothing like denial.

So Runner, you don't have any problems with feminists other than white ones?
You better not let JOM or Banjo hear you say that!

Banjo, why not deport and have an 'inquiry' into ALL sex crime criminals, rather than just the Muslim one's? I doubt Australia has the money for all these 'inquiries' into everything...

What about domestic violence in this country?
Is that not a serious problem for all of us?
Or do you prefer to be selective in who is more
of a problem than others?

//perhaps it is time an inquiry was held into the crime rate, particularly sex crimes, of those accepted as refugees.//

Isn't that what we employ the police for? If the lazy bludgers don't want to their taxpayer-funded jobs, then sack them and hire somebody who will.

The cops already do their job Toni Lavis, as best they can, & we know that, as they catch a lot of them.

What we need to know is how much is going on, that our lefty ABC & other refugee sympathetic media won't report. We need to know the facts, get them broadly known, so we can force some action, from our too vote aware politicians.

//Could it be that some refugees have a different set of values to us in regard to females and children//

I assume by 'us' you mean white people. In that case, let us hope that refugees do indeed have a different set of values to Jimmy Saville, Rolf Harris, Fr. Vincent Ryan and all the other white pedophiles and rapists out there. Sorry to rain on your parade, Banjo, but re-introducing the White Australia policy won't prevent sex crimes. White people are rapists too.

//What we need to know is how much is going on, that our lefty ABC & other refugee sympathetic media won't report.//

ROFLMAO.

Sensational stories sell newspapers and journalists love them. The chances of a journalist getting hold of a story about a sex crime and not reporting it are slim to none.

Until we get politicians with the spine to put a stop to the 'refugee' con, we could at least expect a a ban on ALL single males: family people only.

Interestingly, I note that at least one commentator in a large daily paper raises the same question and claims there are people in many countries doing that since the German NYE episode. This commentator said that migrants must learn the moral codes of western nations.

To my mind this goes much deeper than simply learning something, it is the attitude to women from their culture. Cultural practices are extremely difficult to change. For example, the Afghan bloke that attempted to steal the little girl, told the court that it is quite normal in his former country and was let off. Why do we continue to import people with such culture? Here whole communities 'kick up a stink' if they hear a rumour that a convicted peadophile is living within 10 miles of the local school, yet we import people who's culture approves of child sex.

I think this needs to be looked at in depth, as part of a through reappraisal of the whole migration policy.

I think there is a case for investing in classes on acceptable and accepted cultural behaviour for newly arrived refugees, particularly from certain areas. I know this is being done in at least one Scandinavian country and being considered in others.

Having grown up around Javanese Indonesians I know how little respect they have for the dress and behaviour of Australian women. While the Balinese are a deal more relaxed there is a particular hand signal that can be often sighted indicating 'Slu*' even when they are smiling at the person.

The cultural adjustments required when taking up residence in another country can be extensive and some of it is recognising sexual norms. Part of our commitment to assisting a portion of the world's refugees should include education in these areas.

Dear runner,

Broken Rites estimate that 1 in every 20 parish leaders within the predominant Christian denominations in Australia have been active in sexually abusing and often raping our children. The current Royal Commission is revealing just how widespread this abuse was and just how much the perpetrators continue to be protected by the Church hierarchies.

As a result I would think that a move to close the gates to any visiting or migrating Christian or indeed Jewish religious figures should be our first call don't you? While the inquiry has not revealed inappropriate behaviour by Moslem leaders I feel they too should be denied entry. Guilty by association I'm afraid. What is it about these people that they can't keep their hands of our youngsters?

The offender in the Surfer's Paradise incident wasn't a refugee, the reports I read said he was a Pakistani student based in Geelong who was holidaying in Queensland.

Steele, As recent scandals in Kerala in India have revealed the levels of abuse at Islamic Madrassas are approaching 100%, basically every child attending the two schools at the centre of the allegations was abused.
I highly recommend subscribing to some of the Indian news sites on Facebook, their press is far more free than ours and political correctness doesn't really exist so you get a good idea of how Muslim and Non Muslim groups interact on a larger scale.

Gee ttbn, aren't you being a bit sexist there, suggesting we don't allow single men to migrate here? I think all the other good ol' boys on the forum might take exception to that.

Steel redux is correct however. The status and treatment of women and children in some other countries is certainly questionable, and migrants from these countries need to be educated and supported in learning Australian values and morals when they want to live here.
However, we already have plenty of home-grown sexual abusers here in Australia, so maybe we shouldn't throw too many stones at other countries and their people?

Does anyone see multiculturalism as the reason for most of the problems Australia is having with sex perverts from the Middle East?

Multiculturalism was thrust upon the Australian community to transform all of us heathen racists into accepting anyone the politicians and business leaders wanted to bring into the country with the purpose of increasing the State revenue base for the governments and increasing profits by keeping a downward pressure on wages by the business sector.

We have all been duped by the politicians and business leaders into allowing sex perverts and terrorists from the Middle East to enter the country. Look what is now happening across Europe. And now European politicians are coming out and saying that European multiculturalism is dead. But I wonder what they intend to do about it.

Open season is all that is left.

'Broken Rites estimate that 1 in every 20 parish leaders within the predominant Christian denominations in Australia have been active in sexually abusing and often raping our children. '

yes Steelie and we have had numerous inquiries including royal commissions to address the issues. I suspect the Catholic church you refer to have no higher rate of abuse than state run institutions per children in their care. Are you looking for a job with the abc by jumping on to every one of their bandwagon in order to hide your warped narratives?

Runner ". I suspect the Catholic church you refer to have no higher rate of abuse than state run institutions per children in their care. Are you looking for a job with the abc by jumping on to every one of their bandwagon in order to hide your warped narratives?"

I doubt you can prove that statement Runner, but the fact remains that state run institutions don't put themselves on a pedestal like the Catholic run institutions do, when they make out they are the moral guardians of the children through the teachings of an invisible God and insist others should follow that faith do they?

What 'warped narratives' are you talking about exactly Runner?
Would that be any narrative that disagrees with your narrow views?
How would you know what is said or done on the ABC, as I would say you would be hypocritical if you did watch it...

'I doubt you can prove that statement Runner'
I know you can't disprove that statement Susie

'What 'warped narratives' are you talking about exactly Runner? '

the feminist narrative, the homosexual narrative, the gw myth narrative, the abbottphobia narrative, the racist narrative,

usually the ones that suck in the gullible Susie.

Inquiry = it is not going to happen, remember a few years ago the Labor Government went highly media public and stated that there had only been 4 or 5 or less crimes committed by refugees.

That figure was quickly proved as false on this and other forums, but memory was that the real facts were not reported by MSM.

Settle down you lot.
This he did, they did, who did, why did etc etc gets nowhere.
The only matter that is the point here is are we looking at an entirely
new phenomena here ?
We are not talking about conventional rapes after battle such as the
Russian Army entering Germany.
We are talking about mass assaults in public places with no concern
that anyone would be apprehended. ie hundreds of molestrations in a
crowd of people at a new year celebration.
Some reports of many surrounding women to stop them leaving.
Forcing the accompanying men from protecting their women.
That surely is a new scenario ?

This bears no relation to previous incidents of which I heard except
on a much smaller scale at Cronulla Beach some years ago.
The "Lakemba" boys had been in a group hassling individual girls.
What I heard on police radio at that time could easily have escalated
to a similar level, I heard reports of up to 50 cars in convoy
being tracked by police. They were travelling there to fight the
surfer boys.
On a much smaller scale but can you see a similarity ?

Runner there are none more gullible than those who imagine there is a being in the sky who calls all the shots.....far more unbelievable than anything you mentioned.

Washington Post 15Jan2015,

<No asylum seekers allowed in German city’s public pool after sexual assault reports

Reports of assaults in public swimming pools have emerged from multiple German cities, including Munich. (BigStock)

The western German city of Bornheim has banned male asylum seekers older than 18 from using the city's swimming pool. Officials said the decision was made after consecutive cases of sexual assaults at the city-run swimming pool.

The city's head of social affairs, Markus Schnapka, confirmed that decision, according to German media reports.

The city said that no one has been charged after the incidents that led to the ban, which will remain in place until "the message has come across," Schnapka was quoted as saying. There are about 800 refugees in Bornheim, a city of about 45,000 people.

The decision comes at a sensitive time: On New Year's Eve, dozens of men — some of them allegedly asylum seekers — robbed and assaulted an unknown number of women at the main train station in the German city of Cologne. Reports of similar, if smaller, assaults have emerged from across Europe.

Moreover, Sweden's police have recently been accused of trying to cover up incidents of sexual assault last year, also allegedly committed by asylum seekers...>

So I guess the likes of Foxy, Toni and Suze are going to suggest that the Syrian refugees that commit crimes in Europe are different to the ones we are taking in here. Yea right! What a joke this nation has become. We have become so twisted up in political correctness that we have foregone the rights of our own people, our tax payers, in favour of throwing out the welcome mat willi nilly to anyone who claims they have been hard done by. Two words people.

WAKE UP!

Runner, can't you apply the gag with your 50 year rule. On another thread you made the point the abuse of children committed by Pastor Frank Houston (Father of Hillsong founder and leader Brian Houston) was more than 50 years ago, in fact it was less than 30. You seemed to think with the passage of time less the crime.

Here is one fresh off the press 'Trinity Grammar' a prestigious Sydney Anglican Christian school is accuse of allowing 6 year olds to open sexually abuse each other, in the toilets and playground. And there wasn't a Muslim in sight.

Paul1405, Are you suggesting playful 6 year old children have the same maturity of adult sex abusers?

Have you finally found a moral base to call something wrong Paul. Well that's amazing. No doubt for 6 year olds to abuse each other they must of watching the porn the regressives and Greens have argued for years was harmless. You certainly have more in common with Islam than you like to admit. No wonder to keep drawing pathetic parallels.

Suseonline>> Banjo, why not deport and have an 'inquiry' into ALL sex crime criminals, rather than just the Muslim one's? I doubt Australia has the money for all these 'inquiries' into everything...

Foxy>> What about domestic violence in this country?
Is that not a serious problem for all of us?
Or do you prefer to be selective in who is more
of a problem than others?<<

Well no surprises in these two minimising and placating comments from the girls. The excerpt below is from the European press:

“By now, you’ve likely heard about the numerous sexual attacks that occurred in Germany during New Year’s celebrations — perpetrated mostly by Muslim immigrants’. Reports from police in the German city of Cologne are saying 516 criminal complaints have been filed in connection to these attacks, including over 200 allegations of sexual offenses”

Yes girls no problem there, just another New Years Eve in Cologne.........just like previous years........hang on.......1200% up on previous years......no problem there......it’s those slut women’s fault for not understanding the culture of these tribal Muslims. Sluts deserve it, do they not girls?

Yes congratulations White Feminists, you've managed to drop yourself down to second from the bottom in the "Progressive Stack", you're now worth less to society than African and West Asian rapists, but hey, provided nothing else changes you're still one rung above White men.

Dear SOG,

Nobody deserves to be raped, attacked, killed, or
abused. However, that doesn't mean that all
people of a certain cultural or religious
background rape, attack, kill or abuse.
We have laws for those things and they should be
implicated with full force - not selectively against
any particular group. In this country you are still innocent
until proven guilty - and the law is the last stand of a
civilised society. It's all we have.

cont'd ...

Cologne's police chief, Wolfgang Albers has said,
"So far we have no knowledge of who the perpetrators
are."

Apparently refugees and asylum seekers could be
deported if they are found to have participated.

Onthebeach informs us about a pool owner in a German town who is refusing entrance to male 'Muslim Refugees' because of the increase in sexual innuendos/ assaults from other apparent refugees.

I am assuming they are ok with female Muslim refugees using the pool?
I am also assuming it isn't the first time there have been problems with male sexual perverts at the pool? I am also assuming the vast majority of these old pervs were German? Why weren't all German adult males barred from the pool then, just in case?

So that makes that pool owner both sexist and racist instead of spending the money to beef up security and educate patrons using their pool.

And Germany has such a fab record with racism in the past already...

Sonofgloin adds to the rant by having a go at Foxy and myself for having our own opinions on the subject. I am assuming no one is surprised that there were bound to be criminals and sexual predators amongst the many thousands of refugee men entering Germany lately, as there is amongst any large groups of men?

As if there were never any German men (and others) sexually assaulting women in that country. This fact doesn't make any of it ok of course, but I imagine the police will just have to deal with it as they would any other crimes.

I have never suggested it was a good idea that Germany took in so many refugees at all. I have always said these refugees should have been shared out evenly around the world, and then maybe the problems they are having with such huge numbers of these refugees wouldn't have been so bad for Germany.

I am puzzled by the attitude of Suzie in particular and to Foxy to a
lesser extent.
They make the required comment that no one deserves attack, in about
two lines, then go on for a paragraph or two about how hard done by the
migrants are and how bad the Germans and we are.

It makes me wonder if they are jealous !

Cologne's police chief, Wolfgang Albers has said,
"So far we have no knowledge of who the perpetrators
are."

And then he was forced into retirement for being less than truthful. Well done Foxy.

___________________________________

"there are none more gullible than those who imagine there is a being in the sky who calls all the shots."

Newton, Einstein, Darwin, Beazley, Rudd, Obama, Clinton(s), Planck, Kelvin, Galileo, Bacon, Blair....gullible to a man.

Australia doesn't have a massive muslim crime problem - yet - because we have managed to keep the number of muslims down to manageable levels.

It seems that once the muslims achieve 10% of the population then things start to get....interesting.

I won't mention who we should thank for keeping the numbers under control because the mere mention of his name gives many here heart palpitations.

suse,
You said, "Banjo, why not deport and have an 'inquiry' into ALL sex crime criminals, rather than just the Muslim one's? I doubt Australia has the money for all these 'inquiries' into everything..".

You make silly statements and show profound ignorance constantly.

You should know that we cannot deport Aus citizens but be good if we could. There are some I would gladly get rid of. Deport non citizens by all means, after sentence served and lower the threshold to something less than 2 year sentence. Remove citizenship from those with duel citizenship.

But I take your point that what I advocate is too soft. I only advocate stopping importation of those groups that show contempt for our laws and social standards. I say again, irrespective of colour or creed.

Perhaps I should consider tougher measures that would reduce the importation of those that don't like us and at the same time promote social cohesion.

Actually Banjo there is I believe a loop hole if the oath was sworn on
the Koran then it can be considered a false oath as it has a clause
permitting lying to infidels.
If you take an oath that is a false oath, cancel the citizenship.
The same would apply in court.
Think how many could be deported under that ruling.

Mhaze, I am not impressed with your list of famous men who you think believed in invisible gods in the sky. I think the politicians amongst them would say they worshipped Atilla The Hun if they thought that would bring them votes. Just because one is a leader or scientist, or politician, that does not mean they can't be gullible in some other ways.

Bazz and Banjo, again I say you can't just bar a whole group of people because of their religion just 'in case' they may be hiding a terrorist or two amongst their ranks.
There is nothing you can ever say to me that will ever change my mind on that.
I look at the human race as a whole, and not in compartments, like you two obviously do.

Hi Steele,

I enthusiastically agree with your suggestion that

"there is a case for investing in classes on acceptable and accepted cultural behaviour for newly arrived refugees, particularly from certain areas. I know this is being done in at least one Scandinavian country and being considered in others."

Yes, indeed, not only new arrivals should enrol in classes studying what are basic human values, and therefore Australian values, but all kids in schools should have some explicit teaching/discussion/debate/argument about values. All kids should have some conscious introduction to basic ethics - not indoctrination IN ethics, but introduction TO them, to open their minds consciously to what should be right and wrong.

I do think that the coming decades will be times of ideological struggle which will focus on values, rights and wrongs, freedom versus obedience to some authority, and equality of women and men (a debate which may encourage a resurrection of what used to be called 'feminists'). We will get through the 'Islamist-Enlightenment' debate and move on to more fundamental discussions. I hope I live long enough.

Joe

Human beings are the most extraordinary creatures
and a big part of me still wants to reach an even
greater understanding about who we are. It's the
spirit of the human being that I've learned on
my journey that our spirit can be filled by these
encounters. Yes, I have met some bad people along
the way. But I have also met some amazing souls and
at times even the bad people have surprised me.

I'm no pundit. I have only my own life experiences to
go on. I'm still on my own journey to discovery.
Everything is relative, everything has its story,
and everyone has obstacles to overcome. They are
our greatest teachers.

I can remember quite clearly some experiences that were
not so pleasant growing up in this country, however the
pleasant experiences far out-weighed the unpleasant ones.
I can only trust that my own actions will not contribute
to another migrant's unpleasant experiences here that's
why I take people as I find them and try not to pre-judge.

If we all did that perhaps life would be less difficult.
One can only hope. Of course those who break our laws
are a different case. We are all supposed to abide by the
laws of this country. Social cohesion would be difficult
otherwise.

There is nothing new in 'refugee bashing', or 'minority bashing', as the case maybe, both physically and metaphorically. Australians have been both accepting on the one hand, and disparaging towards refos', ever since the Irish came down the gangplank in 1788, the real Australian had landed about 3 days beforehand, so some think. Forget the original Australians, they didn't even count until 1967.
On behalf of Aboriginal people I want to ask, the Australian prison population on 25th January 1788 was zero, one day later it was about 1200, by the 16th January 2016 it had risen to about 37,000, a large number being Aboriginal people, where is the White fella going wrong?

Suzie, They separate themselves out to large degree.
Why should we have to go to all the risk and trouble of sorting them out ?
Yes, well I know your mind is closed Suzie.

Mhaze said;
Australia doesn't have a massive muslim crime problem - yet

Massive, hmm it is bad enough that we have "Middle Eastern"
Crime Squads, but they will soon need "NE African" squads.

Foxy - best if you quote more up to date information.
You said "Cologne's police chief, Wolfgang Albers has said, "So far we have no knowledge of who the perpetrators are."

Here are more accurate figures.
Police investigations into the incidents of sexual molestation are focussing on 19 suspects, including 10 asylum seekers and nine illegal migrants thought to be from North Africa. Police said the suspects came from outside Cologne.

Bazz, What's actually happened in Melbourne is that the Commies who run the Community Legal Centres have lobbied and sued Victoria Police to get a "hands off" Policing model when it comes to African youth, the result has been a gang war between different clans and factions of the Sudanese fought out on the streets and in the nightclubs.

Dear Phillip S.,

Thank You for the extra information. I only had a limited
amount of data at my time of posting.

It now will be interesting to find out what action will
the police take with these perpetrators seeing as they know
who they are. Apparently if they are known to the police
and the evidence is clear - these men can be deported
if they participated in sex crimes.

Joe and Steele,
I have considered the social education aspect and discounted it because:- A. We already advise all immigrants about social aspects of Australia in brochures in 30 different languages, when they first apply for a visa. So they are aware of our different social standards before they come.

B. Each state now has educators that teach various communities about FGM and have done so for about 20 years, yet the rate of FGM appears to be rising. So it seems education alone does not work. If we can get successful prosecutions to back up the education, it is hoped that will reduce FGM, as has done in France. The penalties will need to be realistic.

Suse,
It is not just about if a group may include a possible terrorist or two. The figures I have seen is that about 20% of muslims hold views that are alien to our society. That is far higher than any other group. OK the ones with very extreme views are few but what about the 'moderates'. The gropers and rapists on NYE in Germany were 'moderates'. They are the ones fleeing ISIS, yet their conduct is not acceptable to us. Don't forget it is the 'moderates' that still oppress women, practice polygamy, forced underage marriage and practice FGM. The continuation of such cultural practices shows disrespect for our society.

I contend that we should stop further immigration of those groups that have shown us they cannot integrate and hold our laws and society in contempt

Bazz and JOM,
Can you blokes expand on the problems with Africans in Melbourne, and Sydney too, if possible,

I hear rumours from time to time but if such news reaches here it is edited out before printing here.

Here we are in the middle of summer and all the press can talk about is football.

Some links to news sources would also be good.

Given that I watched a recent documentary.
Where It was recorded that 1 in 3 African males admit to raping women

It is dangerous there even for young girls to use the public toilets, because they Hang around there and ambush them.
Given the ones who don't admit it, that could make nearly 40-50% of African men
Rapists.

Knowing this, I thought it was only a matter of time before they started doing this
In Germany.

Sure enough, it didn't take long to start happening.
You could see it coming a mile off.

CHERFUL "Given the ones who don't admit it, that could make nearly 40-50% of African men Rapists."

That is a really radical allegation to make without any proof of actual statistics Cherful.
How on earth could you know about the 'ones who don't admit it"?
Do you know lots of African men?
It sounds like a hysterical porkie pie to me...

In the style of true bigots, there are those who will create innuendo and then present it as fact. Jay has "in Melbourne is that the Commies who run the Community Legal Centres". Good old CHEERFUL watched an unnamed "documentary" where 1 in 3, that's 33% of African males rape women, but heck lets stretch it to 40 or 50%, just to spice it up, why not make it 100% and be done with it.
Like some before you, you have created a vision in your mind's eye about refugees and then get on here and produce "stats" that support your extreme raciest preconceptions.
Reminder to Bazz and Jay, if you have some more dirt, even if you have to make it up, please pass it on to Banjo, he can then use it on another forum as fact. A bit like Hitler asking Goebbels to give him the latest facts on the Jewish crime wave in Germany in 1936. Funny fellas, very funny.

Foxy>> However, that doesn't mean that all
people of a certain cultural or religious
background rape, attack, kill or abuse.<<

Suseonline>>I am assuming no one is surprised that there were bound to be criminals and sexual predators amongst the many thousands of refugee men entering Germany lately,<<

Once again girls...........both your comments are factual, but ineffectual in regard to the subject matter. Foxy of course the majority are not “yet” anti social to Caucasians.

Suse of course there are a percentage of predators in every thousand individuals...........but these ethnic groups fight well above their weight when introduced to a first world Caucasian nation.

Germany introduced tens of thousands Turkish immigrants and they did not have the issues they have with these Middle Eastern and African immigrants........why?

I awoke this morning to the news that police officers from the Merrylands station in Sydney are under siege by local criminals who follow the officers to their homes, fly drones over the police station and have threatened to “shoot up” the police station........I will let you guess what ethnic group they come from.......no not Greek, not Italian, not Indian, not Serbian, not Chinese, not British, not New Zealand, not Vietnamese..........yes Middle Eastern.

Girls all your sanctimonious opinions do nothing except placate your own unrealistic point of view. Revolutions are started by the few and the masses then follow. The social cohesion you aspire to by defending these groups that hate their hosts slips further away every time they propagate in our midst.

Banjo, there does not seem to be a significant problem in Sydney with
ex-Somarlies. You do not see it reported as such but the TV news does
give a hint.
From what I see reported in Melbourne media there does seem to be a
significant problem there.
It is interesting to try and read between the lines.
Listen to the police comments, if it was you or me, it would be quite
straight forward comment, but sometimes the comment is very stiffly
phrased and you can see that they are trying hard not reveal anything.
That is all airy fairy of course and proves nothing but often the
the TV background gives hints.

The same carefulness went on in Germany, but I see that the most
senior officer involved in Germany has had to resign because of
hiding the truth for the sake of political correctness.

Those who claim that immigrants are not having a significant affect
should be pressing for accurate reporting. Strangely those are just
the ones who do not want profile reporting.
I wonder why ?

Gentlemen,

I understand your concerns regarding Middle Eastern
Refugee Migration.

Hypothetically taking a hundred migrants with apparently
legitimate claims of persecution - on the law of averages there's
bound to be some who are not genuine and may be a threat.
So logic dictates to avoid any threat exclude the hundred altogether.

Of course there is the other option of screening but even with that there
is no guarantee that some undesirables may still get through.

So in the interests of humanity and compassion we as a nation have
to decide how much risk are we prepared to take. Our governments have
decided on the quotas and also having detention centres on remote
islands to sift out legitimate refugees.
This also occurred in Europe after the second World War.
Where Displaced Person's centres existed and refugees were screened
for migration to countries of their choice.

Foxy,
No the question you need to ask is what special attributes or skills do Africans and West Asians have that other groups don't, the answer is none. So in actual fact there's no reason to take a risk and bring them in because they cause significant harm and contribute nothing we can't get elsewhere.
The harm goes beyond the immediate effect of immigrant crime, as we saw in Sydney and now in Germany and Sweden when the state turns away from it's responsiblity to protect it's citizens and allows lawless behaviour by minority groups the whole system starts to break down.
Trust in the Police and the government breaks down as does community cohesion within the majority, you're seeing the effects now, if the Police were allowed to do their job and proper crime statistics were published there wouldn't be any PEGIDA or Reclaim Australia type groups and we wouldn't even be considering allowing any more migrants from those societies.
See when we hear bout a Mosque being built in a country town we now assume that the government is going to relocate hundreds or thousands of unemployable, dangerous refugees and their children, who seem to get worse with each generation. We know that the social justice groups, local employers and Churches will all contribute to supporting them and cover for their crimes, the regional media will refuse to report any negative news and the Police and public servants will become demoralised and turn a blind eye to the problems.

Dear Jay,

Sweeping statements like yours do not add
credibility to your posts and should subsequently
be ignored. Suggest you do more research on the
topic. People from the Middle East are not one
homogenous group. They have third generations
living in this country. They own businesses,
restaurants, and are employers. They have linguistic,
cultural, and religious differences and skills.
The causes of coming to Australia were amongst
others - the Arab-Israeli conflict, civil war in
Lebanon, the Gulf War and the emergence of
fundamentalist Islamic States. We have a very large
population from the MIddle East - and its been here
for quite some time - several generations in fact.
Accordingly our problems with them per their
population size is really quite negligible.

Cheers.

Refugees given "get out of jail pass card"
Young Sudanese Refugees are a law unto themselves.
Crime is a joke in their minds.
Our local Woolies was robbed of top shelf liquor by a few Sudanese youths.
The security was a Sudanese guard who did nothing.The Female Manager then ran after them until they out run her.
They turned and laughed at her.
The Security guard was moved to another site.
The Local MP said the Police would deal with them.
One week late, the group watched a young white mother leave her car in her driveway.They looked through her car while she was in her home.
She spotted them and they ran away laughing.
The Police have failed to do anything but have spoken to a local Sudanese community leader.What good this will do is hard to understand.
In the meantime our censored newspapers still have Sudanese Footy players being free after being accused of Rapes.
Rampaging Sudanese youths in Sydney and Melbourne abusing young women revellers.
The future looks bright for young sudanese crims starting out in Australia.
The Police media unit will not identify you even if you are caught red handed.As well as the Courts looking at the good side of every African crim.
I feel sorry for our indigenous youths who are beaten up and jailed
by the Police,without any attempt to give them the freedom that refugees enjoy.

It sounds like you have devils chasing you. If it’s not muslims it’s Sudanese. Best left to the police. No need to get paranoid about anything, its not good for you.

Foxy said;
on the law of averages there's
bound to be some who are not genuine and may be a threat.

That is the point. The police have stated, and the gaol population
reinforces it that they do not comprise average numbers.

The difficulty we all have is that profiling is politically incorrect.
As the government will not make statistics available we must, as our
right, assume the government is hiding something.

If all is well, then why not publish the figures.
It would help everyone especially the migrants.

Dear Bazz,

Contact the Australian Bureau of Statistics.

Figures are available.

Dear Bazz,

The following link may help:

http://www.aic.gov.au/media_library/publications/tandi_pdf/tandi117.pdf

cont'd ...

It's done by the Australian Institute of Criminology
and is worth a read.

Foxy - please come into the present rather than the past that document you cite is dated May 1999 with the statistics from 1996 to 1997. Also it appears to cover Victoria only.

That was long before Dudd and Dillard let in the over 50,000 economic invades.

Sorry to inform you it is now 2016 to draw anything from figure 19 years old, come on.

19 year old statistics are not worth reading.

The fact that there are no statistics for the present time indicates what is happening here and in other countries, it is not politically correct to publish what is really happening so as not to alarm the public.

Suse,

" I think the politicians amongst them would say they worshipped Atilla The Hun if they thought that would bring them votes. "

Hmmmm, so Rudd (for example) isn't a theist but is a liar. Well I'm with you there, at least on the latter.
But I'm pretty sure the male Clinton believes in God. After all, within a very short time of meeting any female intern he was wont to start moaning.."oh God, oh God".

But a nice virtuous circle of self-delusion you have going there, Suse. Anyone who disagrees with you re the deity is either gullibly deluded or a liar. No chance they've looked at the same world as you and reached equally valid but different conclusions? Very open-minded of you.

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Bazz,

"Massive, hmm it is bad enough that we have "Middle Eastern"
Crime Squads, but they will soon need "NE African" squads."

We don't have a massive muslim problem yet on the scale of those who didn't have the benefit of having politicians who were prepared to ameliorate the level of muslim 'migration'. We don't have 1000's of kids being raped and abused as in England. We aren't near the top of the rape tables as in Sweden. We don't have organised gangs sexually assaulting female revellers as in Cologne. We don't have dozens being killed at rock concerts as in Paris or cartoonists being executed for drawing pictures of an old pedophile (then again we don't have cartoonists brave enough to upset those whose main counter-argument is execution).

We'll get there no doubt but not yet. Perhaps if things get worse in Eurabia, we'll pull back from abyss of letting this supremacist ideology gain a bigger foothold here, but I have my doubts on that.

Dear Phillip,

Sorry to be a stick in the mud - but I did genuinely
think that even though the stats were old
the article was of value because it dealt with the
history of these trouble spots and the causes that
resulted.

It gave a better understanding to the issues involved.

Still to each their own. Which was done at that time.
Today - it may be a different scenario.

I believe in looking at the bigger picture from all
the angles.

Sudanese crime statistics are a concern now as were those of Vietnamese refugees two decades ago and Italian and Greek before them.

The best indicator is the country of birth records of those in our prisons. As of 2014 Sudanese were markedly over represented at over 700 per 100,000 Sudanese born immigrants.

Here is a graph showing the top 9 compared to the Australian average;
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/4517.0~2014~Main%20Features~Country%20of%20birth~7

While there are of course some caveats, such as country of birth not always representing ethnicity, it does give a crude snapshot.

It should be noted that 4 of the 5 top country of birth nations are Christian and even Vietnam could be considered nominally so when examining the refugee question as religious persecution is a large factor in granting refugee status from that country.

The Sudanese and Samoan rates reflect those of the lowest socio-economic decile of natural born Australians. It should be noted the rate for indigenous Australians is a shameful 1,900 per 100,000.

I'm not adverse to seeing an inquiry into the high Sudanese and Samoan rates but I suspect it may find similar factors of poverty, low school retention rates, and low rates of engagement with the wider community. Properly funded and directed social initiatives do get results. We have accepted the responsibility of looking after these people and we should be doing what it takes to honour that role.

SteeleRedux - Even though Australian born are a large percentage, I would say the figures need more refining for example Bilal Scaf and his band of rapist are technically Australian but parents are Lebanese and the scumbags in no way assimilated with Australia, there ways were of the Lebanese.

There would be a lot by berth Australians in jail who have no respect for the country but there more aligned to the country of the parents.

SteeleRedux makes a good point: <<it may find similar factors of poverty, low school retention rates, and low rates of engagement with the wider community. Properly funded and directed social initiatives do get results. We have accepted the responsibility of looking after these people and we should be doing what it takes to honour that role.>>

Philip;<< there ways were of the Lebanese.>> Utter nonsense "Scaf mother Baria worked as a cleaner and an aged care worker and his father Mustapha worked for State Rail in Sydney, gaining a good reputation among his colleagues. It was through his father's reputation that Skaf also found work for State Rail despite having left school at age 14 and gaining convictions for shoplifting and theft. Bilal attended Homebush Boys High School, where he was described as a loose cannon during his early years." Wikipedia

In the case of Ivan Milat, the son of a Croatian emigrant and his Australian wife What made Milat a serial killer, was it his Croatian father or his Australian mother. Martin Bryant, the son of Maurice and Carleen Bryant, two Australians. Maybe Bryant had Irish ancestors or something.

Philip, as for your conspiracy theory that there is some organised cover up with: <<no statistics for the present time indicates what is happening here and in other countries, it is not politically correct to publish what is really happening so as not to alarm the public.>> Again nonsense.

cont

cont

I can speak with first hand knowledge of Maori people, here in Australia and over in NZ, my partner is 100% Maori, another group with a "bad" reputation. Given the opportunities of the average person, Maori are just as hard working, just as law abiding, just as family orientated as anyone else. We have one nephew in jail in NZ for car stealing, left school at 15, no job, hanging about with others of similar standing, drugs and alcohol, now in jail for 3 years. Could just as easily be a white kid. Have a bro just down from Brisbane, half Islander, half Maori, has an Aussie wife who works in daycare, and 3 year old son. He was in trouble as a teenager, now in his 30's working in Sydney as a crane driver $45/hr, his company asked him to transfer, his wife found a job straight away. He has about as much chance of committing crime as I do of flying to the Moon.
Philip what is your experience with minorities?

I know it is impolite and certainly not politically correct but as
far as convictions etc are concerned I think it must be taken unto account.
The IQ of moslems is somewhat lower than non moslems due to their
damaged genome.
If this results in lower employment and less ability generally how do we cope with it ?
Is it a factor in their incarceration ?

<<f this results in lower employment and less ability generally how do we cope with it ?
Is it a factor in their incarceration ?>>
Bazz, since many industries Asian countries, Hong Kong, South Korea, Singapore, Japan etc top the list for having people with the highest average IQ's, over 100, and Australians are considered below average at 98. Do you think an immediate forced breeding program between high IQ Asians and average Australians is warranted? It could help reduce our prison population of 37,000. But then again maybe we should start with your average Irishmen, no smarter than your average Greek, who are both way dumber than your average Chinerman who also is smarter than your average Australian. Shock horror they say Kiwi's are smarter than Aussies, can't be true! Together we could breed the master race!

Bazz>> The IQ of moslems is somewhat lower than non moslems due to their damaged genome.<<

I don’t know how valid that one is Bazz. It sounds like something that came from the utterings of Dr Goebbels.
The genome-wide association study draws no such conclusion on IQ from what I could glean.

The limited access to modern advances in education, wage inequality, nutrition and health care,the impact of parasitic diseases, societal development,and the rate of democratization,seem to be the markers for average national IQ.

Bazz I would keep well away from genome associations with Psychometrics.

In spite of the protests from the left whingers, it is clear that in crimes related to sexual harassment of women, immigrants from North Africa and the middle east are significantly overrepresented in the EU and Australia.

The two issues are not only that these men come from an environment where sexual harassment of women is acceptable, but also goes largely unpunished.

The induction of these young men into Aus Society, not only needs to teach them Western values, but needs to educate them as to the almost certainty that they will be caught, severely punished and lose their residence in Aus.

As for the owner of the baths in Germany, as it was perfectly clear as to who was responsible for the sexual harassment, he had a duty to protect his regular users. The male refugees were banned, and the criminal harassments stopped.

The nicest thing one might say about Islam is that it is stupid.

There are other apt descriptors as well, such as totalitarian.

It offers peace for those who comply (and remain luckier than others around them).

What to say about people who sign up to Islam and force it upon their children, but are in a safe place and are not under threat? Stupid?

Sonofgloin, about 2000 the NSW Dept of Health noticed that Auburn
hospital had a higher than normal incidence of children born with
genetic defects. They sent a genetist the look into the problem.
In her report she stated that she interviewed the mothers and found
that most were married to their cousins.
Her report was presented to parliament and is in Hansard.

In the UK the Midlands Health Service had the same problem and found a
13% increase in genetic problems in the children of cousins.
A report was made to the House of Commons, I presume it is in Hansard.
I found via Google that a Danish doctor has done a similar study there.

The Arabs have been practising cousin marriage since before Islam
came on the scene. The more than a thousand years of that practise
has damaged their genome quite severely and the damage is very widespread in the population.
Unfortunately from what I read of the Danish doctors report it will
take many hundreds of years to breed it out IF they stop the practise now.

Considering the Arabs were noted horse breeders and camel breeders
it is very strange that they did not see the problem.
Someone must have had doubts because I read about an item in Islamic
literature where someone asked Mohammad if it was OK to marry their cousin.
He answered that he would ask Gabriel to enquire of Allah.
The answer came back yes it is OK.

There is quite a lot of information on the web about the problem.
Some think that 30% of moslems have some genetic defects, most being
minor. In Scotland, I think it was, they are the majority in schools
for handicapped children.

Anyway probably some will say I am raving on, but with the effect on
children I feel very depressed about it and believe cousin marriage
should be banned and the cousin couples should be sterilised.
It is the cruelist thing anyone could do to a child.

Bazz, you are raving on. You have once again been flushed out as holding unreasonable extremest views when it comes to people not of your colour or creed. Sonofgloin summed up your presentation of the facts well, "I don’t know how valid that one is Bazz. It sounds like something that came from the utterings of Dr Goebbels."

Cousin marriage is a problem in some countries. It is a very cruel practice affecting children as it does. The serious negative effects can pass down several generations and more.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1212811

http://www.medicinechest.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=452

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/children/11723308/First-cousin-marriages-in-Pakistani-communities-leading-to-appalling-disabilities-among-children.html

Paul 1405,
Why would the Lebanese department of public health in conjunction with the American University be conducting long term, inter generational studies of the effects of consanguinous marriage among North Lebanese Muslims?
It's long been known that the Muslim problem in Sydney stems from the tribal background of the Lebanese migrants to that city, that even though other capitals have Lebanese populations they don't have as many Muslims from Northern Lebanon.
The Arabic tribal customs and marriage strategy cause genetic damage to their offspring resulting in among other things low intelligence and it's attendant symptoms such as poor impulse control.
You can go and read the research papers yourself, Israeli scientists are also working on correcting or breeding out the genetic defects caused by inbreeding in Ashkenazi Jews.
European descended people don't have these problems because of a strict prohibition of incest and consanguinous marriage, it's not discussed because it's not an issue...and please nobody bring up the trite example of the royal families, if ever there was an example of the genetic cost of cousin marriage it's in "The Lost Prince".

Paul don't be stupid.
Note Lady Deech's comments in on the beach's links.

You obviously have no idea what you are going on about.
Have you no idea what the costs are to raising handicapped children ?
The staffing of the special schools is very difficult and needs staff
of a caliber that is way above normal schools.
The costs for the lifetime of these children is massive.
Remember they will get the disability pension for life and need many
kinds of support from parents and government.
Have you never seen the 80 year old woman taking her handicapped
50 year old child shopping ?

You do not know you are alive !

The real problem is that the Arab & Pakistan & Afghanistan people
will need hundreds of years of never marrying cousins to breed the
problems out of their nations.

When I first read that I found it horrifying. The problem is so widespread
in their populations that the costs to our medical and welfare systems
might well become a problem for our government.
Additionally we should examine those in gaol to see if there is an IQ
problem there.
However generally people with an IQ problem are very aware
of not committing crimes or breaking the law in any way.
When they do it is generally because they do not understand that law.
In different cultures it could be different.

Given the attitude to women in moslem communities those with limited
understanding might think any women fair game.
It is those with mild intellectual handicaps that are the risk.

The problem is that gutless federal governments pursuing political populism have been seduced (coerced?) into allowing the diversity tail to wag the immigration policy dog.

Why would any government direct Immigration bureaucrats to prefer immigration applications from Pakistan for example to other, eminently more suitable applicants? That Department and the Department of Foreign Affairs would be failing in their duty if they were not advising the government of the risk of importation of toxic, incompatible political systems, traditions and values.

Why is Australia volunteering to rescue and give a home to claimed refugees on the other side of the world?

Australian politicians travel far too much and they like to look good internationally. There is always that hope of a UN job - that rarely eventuates. Or being made to feel important by the US State Department, in exchange for agreeing to take that pesky nuke waste that costs Obama heaps to keep and cannot be hidden away somewhere no matter what.

There is no doubt that regardless of attempts to sweep everything under the carpet as usual, mass immigration and that 'diversity-Australia-has-to-have' that results in unsuitable migrants will be key issues with the electorate in the coming federal election.

OTB,
Yes, it comes back to one question, what do immigrants from Africa and West Asia have that we can't get anywhere else?
The obvious answer would be nothing, either all people are equal or they're not, if we're getting into some sort of discussion about intrinsic racial qualities then isn't that taking a step down the road to Auschwitz?