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What was Cronulla?
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Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 14 December 2015 7:49:45 PM
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Hi Jay, I am the first to admit that I'm not right up there with French politics, I am sure only the French could do it their way. Coming so quickly on top of the Paris atrocities I would have through the French would have been sufficiency spooked to have lunged to the extreme right, hoping for protection from the perilous hordes from the (middle) east. The results, no matter how you read them appear extremely bad for the far right. The fact the socialists left was willing to throw its lot in with the center right, only indicates the contempt held for the far right by the moderates and socialists.
Please comment on the Turnbull situation in Australia. Those that can't stand a bar of Turnbull are in fact the hard right faction in the Liberal Party and its love child, The Nationals. there is very little sympathy in the general community for the loss of the Abbott hard right approach on most things, including the way to deal with terrorism. The indications are that people feel safer under Turnbull than they did under Abbott. Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 14 December 2015 9:05:48 PM
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Dog whistles like "hard right", "left" etc. explain nothing. Using "hard right" to conflate the FN in France and the Abbott metastases in the Australian LNP is obfuscation that almost looks purposeful.
Islam[1] is on the march in both countries but the FN is characterised by its wise opposition to mass immigration and appeasement of Moslems, whereas there has not been a peep from Andrews and Corman and Abetz and Dutton. (Abbott did to his credit cautiously suggest that the Moslem religion[1] could do with a reformation and was torn to ribbons for it by the Australian dhimmis. Appeasement in Australia is live and well. [1] http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm Posted by EmperorJulian, Monday, 14 December 2015 11:17:22 PM
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Steele, (Aidan take note also)
If you blokes think the Cronulla day was 'race riot' you have a lot to learn. It was simply a gathering, a protest if you like about the antisocial conduct of Lebs at the beach. Now the Lebs had been causing problems for years and it was obvious they were trying to take over by intimidation and violence. The local beach goers had complained to council and the police over this time but nothing was done. The lebs behavior culminated in the gang bashing of two young lifesavers who attempted to stop them harassing a group of girls. Now Sydney siders hold lifesavers in high esteem and this was the catalyst for Sydney people to say enough is enough and we will gather in numbers and let the Lebs know their antisocial conduct will no longer be tolerated. It would also give the strong message to council and the police that the issue is serious and they should do their job. So you could call the day a protest rally. But the term 'race riot' is nothing more than a media beat up to sell newspapers. There was no more violence than what happens at a weekend soccer match. In fact there have been soccer matches where hundreds brawled, cars and busses trashed and even buildings shot at. You need to learn what a 'race riot' is and I suggest you ask the Brits and the French as they have some knowledge. Widespread brawling, shops damaged and looted and buildings and cars burnt. The French often loose hundreds of cars burnt by muslim youths. So as I said the Cronulla day was a protest rally and could not qualify as a riot and was because of the poor conduct of the Lebs. The sad fact is that the more muslims there are, the more they try to assert their ways. Let us hope the police and councils have learnt to take the complaints seriously and 'people power' is not needed. Posted by Banjo, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 3:19:08 AM
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//So as I said the Cronulla day was a protest rally and could not qualify as a riot//
No, it didn't qualify as a protest rally either. It was just a bunch of drunk redneck bogans who couldn't handle their piss making a nuisance of themselves and wasting valuable police time. //and was because of the poor conduct of the Lebs.// No, it was because of beer, bundy and the apparent inability of Sydney bogans to hold their liquor well. Posted by Toni Lavis, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 4:01:10 AM
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"Dog whistle" has become another cliche in politics, if you don't want the terms right, left, center, etc used, which is very French in origin, then substitute your own adjectives and don't be critical of others for using them.
Like the bully boys here, the French Nation Front is a political joke, and the French people had the good sense to avoid them like the plague. We know the consequences of the political joke getting power, murder of millions on a grand scale. As for Islam and hate, most organised religions have their element of hate within, and the big two, Christianity and Islam, are not short in that department. I am surprised that the Quran has only a 100 or so references that calls devotees to war, the Christian bible does very much the same thing. The saving grace for Christianity is the fact Christ appears to be mainly a pacifists in the new testament, although he was guilty of doing his lolly with the small business types in the temple one Saturday arvo. that has been used by Christians to justify all their acts of war. Mainstream Christianity has ignored the pacifists angle and adopted the theory of just or holy war, just like Christ in the temple, just like the Muslims. The result has been legalised murder on a world scale, millions have died at the hands of people who would profess to be Christians, and not only in the distant past, its happening today. Glad I am an atheist, and a pacifist. Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 5:08:45 AM
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You do love polling around in this stuff don't you. Happy as a pig in the proverbial.
You wrote;
“There was no riot, just some scuffles involving a few Lebs that turned up.”
So the young Russian born Afghani who had the crap beaten out of him after arriving at the station was assaulted because 'he looked the part'?
The two students from Bangladesh who were nearly dragged from their car and only escaped serious assault by the skin of their teeth. They too probably just looked the part so near enough was good enough. No questioning them to see if they were Lebanese just start punching.
But I'm really wondering if the two ambulance officers who were among the 26 treated for injuries on that day looked Lebanese? It's more likely they were just victims of a part of Australian culture which says getting a skin full, and a mob together then go looking to bash some wogs (and anyone who tries help them) is as Aussie as it comes.
Pathetic.