What was Cronulla? Was it a racially incited program against a minority? Was it a reaction to anti social behaviour from youths from another culture? Was it a statement of intolerance from the local youth to a changing cultural demographic, incited by right wing yobbos?

I have just viewed a documentary that paints all Australians as rabid racists. The doco suggested that the riots were a response to the 911 attacks, albeit 4 years after the fact. It had a number of Muslim parents telling of a long term association with the beach without any racist or negative actions from the wider community, so they were shocked when the riots took place. It had a young muslim woman asking “what did we do to cause Australians to hate us.”

As I watched Muslim community leaders and social workers claiming the victim status, one young Muslim guy cut to the chase. He said “of course there were gangs of Muslim youths causing trouble in Cronulla, that’s where we hung out, but there are bad elements in every community.” If you take out the gutless pack mentality that drove the white youth on that day, I believe the reaction was retaliation based for events that preceded it. Young males in numbers look for testosterone and numerically based frictions to assert themselves. I am old enough to vividly remember the pitch battles fought on our beaches between the surfies and the rockers in the 1960’s, who were genetically homogeneous.

Cronulla was disgusting, cowardly and wrong........but the participants were exclusively teens with a few older right wing yobbos inciting the simpletons. I do not accept that Australia is a racist society. Like all confrontations Cronulla was a reaction to actions, not a reaction to colour creed or ancestry.

It's an event with no wider significance than the public order incidents which occurred across the weekend, soccer fans in Melbourne and Sydney carry out similarly raucous demonstrations in similar numbers on a fairly regular basis, brawl in the street and require massive police resources to control and they don't even make the news.

"I have just viewed a documentary that paints all Australians as rabid racists"

Of course you have. 'They' teach it in schools, don't they? Australia is one of the Western democracies where leftist 'Progressive' politics decree that many millions of taxpayers' dollars annually go to interest groups who swing from the taxpayers' teats while sledging Australians and Australia both at home and abroad. Here is the result of it,

http://tinyurl.com/je3gpwo
<Is this what the world thinks of us?

Backpacker rejected by Scottish landlord because 'Australia is famous for its drunks and racists'

Laura Gratton, 24, applied to rent £400-a-month flat in Edinburgh online
But the landlord told her she couldn't live there because she is Australian

He said in a message that most Australians are 'drunks and racists'

She defended her countrymen but the man insisted that Australia is 'the most racist nation' in the world>

To maintain and increase that taxpayer funding for multiculturalism and 'human rights' of course there will be problems found and invented to maintain the necessary narrative. Heavens, no way there could be any recognition and accounting of the concessions and support, in hard times too especially after WW2, that the Australian public has given to immigration.

What about the new stretch records set annually for decades for increased migrant intakes? -An extra 200,000, equivalent to a new large city annually that the host population was and is being continually 'stretch' taxed to provide infrastructure for and health and welfare for that matter?

How many other countries would go along with the 'diversity-Australia-has-to-have' and constant criticism of Australia's inherited traditions and of 'whites'? The Australian taxpayer puts $1.3billion dollars annually into a broadcasting 'service' that spends hours daily roasting Australia and its population and has done that for years. What other broadcaster would give oxygen for decades to the same well-heeled, educated, middle class, faux Left BS artists negging Australia?

So of course Oz is 'racist' and xenophobic (along with other nasty conditions, solely genetically inherited by 'whites' apparently).

contd..

continued..

Regarding Cronulla, if it is being said that there was a 'history', one also has to look at why police did not intervene, successfully, earlier. There are some who say that Australia is so politically correct that police are constantly hampered in their law enforcement and multiculturally sensitive judges give slaps on the wrist.

Australian law should be enforced without fear or favour. Equality and fairness demand that as a minimum. How come then that the incidence of STIs in young indigenous girls is so high?

What about a new deal: where everyone is expected to accept and comply with ALL Australian law, not group into enclaves demanding special treatment, and pitch in to continue the solid work done by Australia's pioneering settlers to make, not break, Australia?

Cronulla was another case of mis information largely by the leftist media. As Paul Sheehan rightly points out it was a result of hundreds of white girl rapes by Lebanese, constant abuse on beaches and attacks on Lifeguards by muslims. The following day after the riots the Muslims themselves rioted in the Eastern parts of Sydney targeting whites with rocks, knives etc. Its a pity they did not clean up their supporters (socialist left) who seem to share their lack of values. How gullible are the Austalian public to believe such propaganda as put out by abc and other truth deniers.

The day at Cronulla was nothing more that the locals taking back their beach from gangs of Lebs that were trying to dominate the situation. The beach going girls were being harassed by the Lebs who gang bashed anyone who interviened. The bashing of two young lifesavours who came to the aid of a group of girls saw the need for action that had been ignored by police and council for years.

A more recent event occurred in Sydney and Melbourne when there were allegations of Indian students being bashed late at night for 'racist' reasons. The students and the police knew who the perpetrators were but allowed the blame to be put on anglo aussies. The press had a field day, especially the Indian press and it was not until much later that the perpetrators were revealed to be Lebs in Sydney and Africans in Melbourne. Apparently the Indian students were easy targets for robbery. Disgusting that our authorities allowed anglo aussies to wear the blame.

Jay of Melbourne, you seem to have local knowledge. Can you tell me the situation in Melbourne with African gangs. I hear rumours from time to time but there is nothing in mainstream media. Can any one do the same for Sydney. I also would like information in relation to the Sri Lanken ethnic fights and acid attacks. Are they still happening or have they gotten over it.

Banjo,

"The day at Cronulla was nothing more that the locals taking back their beach from gangs of Lebs that were trying to dominate the situation. The beach going girls were being harassed by the Lebs who gang bashed anyone who interviened. The bashing of two young lifesavours who came to the aid of a group of girls saw the need for action that had been ignored by police and council for years."

Do you seriously believe that, Banjo?

I don't dispute it started out as you described, but I find your NOTHING MORE claim absolutely preposterous. The antagonism stirred up by Alan Jones is well known. And are you saying it was a media invention that hundreds of racists flocked to Cronulla looking for a fight? And that the people they attacked weren't all gang members?

Aidan,
Hundreds of people flocked to Cronulla in 2005 looking for a spectacle, a few dozen drunks got into fights, the imputation of "Racism' comes from your own prejudices not from the facts.

Aidan,
Yep the Cronulla day was as I described, Allen Jones publicity certainly would have increased the numbers there. There was no riot, just some scuffles involving a few Lebs that turned up. You freely label racists those who were angry at the conduct of the Lebs who thought they could intimidate and take over the beach. If you are looking to attach blame then focus on the inaction of the police and council that failed to act on the numberous complaints over the proceeding years. There is shame in them not doing their job. I certainly do not blame those who turned up on the day, as something had to be done and it was obvious that the responsible authorities were not going to take any action.

Further shame on the police for allowing convoys of cars carrying Lebs the next night to the eastern suburbs and bashing people and damaging property. The police knew but failed to act, that is shame.

However the bashing of the Indian students is far worse because the police and politicians knew the perpetrators but allowed anglo Aussies to take the blame in the world press. The Indian students also need calling out on this as they kept knowledge from the public.

Even now the police and politicians are aware of forced marriages, polygamy, underage marriages and FGM taking place but do nothing about it as they desire to protect ethnic groups.

Cronulla was a simple expression of Ozzies being very slow to real anger. Slow to respond to the bad behaviour, & slow to action.

It should be a permanent warning to those such as Muslims, & African youth, indulging in antisocial behaviour, to be careful how far they push their luck.

Once pushed too far the typical Ozzie will come out swinging, & will keep swinging until all the garbage is cleared.

On African youth Banjo, my son in-laws folks are getting so much aggravation from them in Penrith, that his mother is not game to go on the street, even in a large shopping centre. She now has an automatic door on her garage so she can park behind a closed door. She shops in a distant suburb.

They are trying to get out of the area, but find few prepared to buy a house there. Obviously there is a "go easy on the Africans" policy in the police force, & they will do nothing until windows are broken. Even then, no charges are ever laid.

our politicians in past decades have caused this
Immigration mess.

And they are still too gutless to shut down the immigration
To Australia of these groups who cause the most trouble

Would we have taken in Thousands of German or Japanese immigrants
In World War 2

Some people can't get it in to their heads that we are at war with
Members of these groups.

It was the usual bad behaviour of the middle eastern thugs that
Caused the riot at Cronulla.

Assaulting lifeguards is not liked by Australians. It is equivalent to some Australian
Thugs punching a Muslim mufti and it provoked the same response as that would have provoked in the muslims.
As usual the muslims escaped blame at the expense of
The Aussies

Beach violence is nothing new, back in the 1960's and 70's there was a large number of Aussie gang members called the 'Sharpies'. In Sydney on a Friday and Saturday night the Sharp's would gate crash 'Surfie' dances in locations like Maroubra, they got around on public transport, ha ha. The Surfies formed their own gangs e.g the 'Bra Boys', then there were the 'Mods' other enemies of Sharps along with 'Rockers', a sub-culture of bike gangs, later the "Punks' and 'Westies' were around. Not unusual for a pitched battle on a Saturday night of over 100 youth.
My brother-in-law, who is a much respected member of the community today, knows, I know, his dark secret of being a full on Sharpie back in those days, nightly entertainment of bashing a'fag' or two or around Oxford Street, can't find a fag a wine o' will do, then onto the city, to places like 'The Wesley' for some entertainment and spiritual guidance from the mission mob, ha, ha, it did little or no good, but the babs down there were pretty good for a pick-up. Afterwards heading for the beaches for a 'rumble' with those other 'faggots' the Surfie's. What would the legal fraternity think of my B-In-L now, the chances are if they are around 60-70 now there were into it as well at the time. You knew a 'Sharpie' from his distinctive shirt he wore called a "benson" with its horizontal bars around the middle. Sharps did at times have run ins with young 'spicks' and 'wogs', but they were a minority.

All the above is from memory, so I could be a little wrong here and there.

Hasbeen,
Thanks for that info.

I continue to be amazed that we let our politicians get away with allowing people to enter the country that have demonstrated that they hold our society and laws in contempt.

We need a complete review of all immigration, with bans placed on persons belonging to groups that thumb their noses at us. I do not care what colour or creed they are, if they have shown they will not integrate then that group should be banned from further entry.

I make it clear that the vast majority of immigrants/refugees do integrate and make acceptable citizens but those that do not makeit difficult and costly for us. We make a rod for our own back further down the line.

As I strongly believe that no Australian born girl should be subject to FGM, the groups that practice FGM should be the first banned. Multiculturalism has a lot to answer for.

Paul 1405, my old man was a rocker, they used to fight pitched battles with other gangs across central Victoria in the early 1960's, they'd sometimes have shootouts with their .22's, one of his mates got shot in the head but lived. The difference was though that they'd meet on the highway between towns and punch on out in the middle of nowhere where nobody could see them or call the cops.

Hi there BANJO,HASBEEN & ONTHEBEACH...

Sadly due to this mindless political correctness many of the bosses at various LAC'S (Local Area Command) are too intimidated or nervous to tackle disruptive behaviour from certain ethnicity's. Accordingly, each squad sergeant is instructed to employ a hands 'off' strategy, (unless it's absolutely necessary) when dealing with minorities, specifically whenever they're dealing with native black Africans and Lebanese (MUSLIMS) ! Preferring instead to pinch an Aussie where PC isn't a problem, and allegations of racism (by association) is much easier to prove.

Gentleman welcome to a box seat, to observe the slow ruination and disintegration of this once great Christian based Nation of ours. All because our political leaders are utterly paralysed with doubt and indecision because they fear condemnation from the morally corrupt United Nations, and those of the noisy 'Left'.

One might add some from the executive level of police command, to that political list ? We mustn't risk our executive rank, opulent office suite at HQ, and (supplemental) H.D. pension, for the good and safety of the community ?

I somehow doubt it.

>>Allen Jones publicity certainly would have increased the numbers there<<

The demographic that listens to Alan Jones was most certainly absent from Cronulla that day. If a small proportion of his audience had been in attendance, the streets would have been blocked with Zimmer frames and mobility scooters.

The rest were somewhere else, driving taxis.

Interesting result in the French regional elections, with the 'Center Right' looking like winning 7, and 5 to the 'Socialists Left' of the 13 regions. Unexpectedly the far right were shut out completely failing to win one region. The only saving grace for the extremists was the increased vote for the anti immigration party, polling 6.45m up about 20,000 votes on its 2012 presidential result. The turnout was up about 10%, but mostly in areas where the far right parties are strongest, neutralising their vote, this suggests a real concern by the French people of embracing the radicalism of the right, given the recent terrorists attacks.
Closer to home, I think the general community is happy to go along with that center right philosophy of progressive liberalism of the Turnbull government, and are thankful to see the last of the Abbott's hard right approach to most issues. Internationally, the next issue for Turnbull to move on is climate change. Australia indicated in Paris it is ready to come in from the "cold" on climate change, and is ready to make the big commitment under Turnbull.

Paul 1405.
Tell the truth, knowing that only the centre right could defeat FN the Socialists withdrew their candidates in all but one district by arrangement with the Republicans, FN would have won otherwise
As Hugh Schofield of the BBC puts it:

There can be no hiding that the results of the elections are a big personal blow to Marine Le Pen…

But in a way that suits her fine.

Because what it all means is that nothing in France has changed. The two main parties continue sharing out the goodies (in this case deliberately conniving to keep hers as well).

Meanwhile unemployment rises; terror stalks; the grim insurrectionary mood continues to spread.

Marine’s prospects for power may be limited, but her appeal is as strong as ever for France’s growing numbers of disgruntled and disaffected.

That French “ouf” of relief? It’s also the noise you make when you get a fist in the abdomen.

Dear Banjo,

You do love polling around in this stuff don't you. Happy as a pig in the proverbial.

You wrote;

“There was no riot, just some scuffles involving a few Lebs that turned up.”

So the young Russian born Afghani who had the crap beaten out of him after arriving at the station was assaulted because 'he looked the part'?

The two students from Bangladesh who were nearly dragged from their car and only escaped serious assault by the skin of their teeth. They too probably just looked the part so near enough was good enough. No questioning them to see if they were Lebanese just start punching.

But I'm really wondering if the two ambulance officers who were among the 26 treated for injuries on that day looked Lebanese? It's more likely they were just victims of a part of Australian culture which says getting a skin full, and a mob together then go looking to bash some wogs (and anyone who tries help them) is as Aussie as it comes.

Pathetic.

Hi Jay, I am the first to admit that I'm not right up there with French politics, I am sure only the French could do it their way. Coming so quickly on top of the Paris atrocities I would have through the French would have been sufficiency spooked to have lunged to the extreme right, hoping for protection from the perilous hordes from the (middle) east. The results, no matter how you read them appear extremely bad for the far right. The fact the socialists left was willing to throw its lot in with the center right, only indicates the contempt held for the far right by the moderates and socialists.
Please comment on the Turnbull situation in Australia. Those that can't stand a bar of Turnbull are in fact the hard right faction in the Liberal Party and its love child, The Nationals. there is very little sympathy in the general community for the loss of the Abbott hard right approach on most things, including the way to deal with terrorism. The indications are that people feel safer under Turnbull than they did under Abbott.

Dog whistles like "hard right", "left" etc. explain nothing. Using "hard right" to conflate the FN in France and the Abbott metastases in the Australian LNP is obfuscation that almost looks purposeful.

Islam[1] is on the march in both countries but the FN is characterised by its wise opposition to mass immigration and appeasement of Moslems, whereas there has not been a peep from Andrews and Corman and Abetz and Dutton. (Abbott did to his credit cautiously suggest that the Moslem religion[1] could do with a reformation and was torn to ribbons for it by the Australian dhimmis.

Appeasement in Australia is live and well.

[1] http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

Steele, (Aidan take note also)
If you blokes think the Cronulla day was 'race riot' you have a lot to learn. It was simply a gathering, a protest if you like about the antisocial conduct of Lebs at the beach.

Now the Lebs had been causing problems for years and it was obvious they were trying to take over by intimidation and violence. The local beach goers had complained to council and the police over this time but nothing was done. The lebs behavior culminated in the gang bashing of two young lifesavers who attempted to stop them harassing a group of girls. Now Sydney siders hold lifesavers in high esteem and this was the catalyst for Sydney people to say enough is enough and we will gather in numbers and let the Lebs know their antisocial conduct will no longer be tolerated. It would also give the strong message to council and the police that the issue is serious and they should do their job.

So you could call the day a protest rally.

But the term 'race riot' is nothing more than a media beat up to sell newspapers. There was no more violence than what happens at a weekend soccer match. In fact there have been soccer matches where hundreds brawled, cars and busses trashed and even buildings shot at.

You need to learn what a 'race riot' is and I suggest you ask the Brits and the French as they have some knowledge. Widespread brawling, shops damaged and looted and buildings and cars burnt. The French often loose hundreds of cars burnt by muslim youths.

So as I said the Cronulla day was a protest rally and could not qualify as a riot and was because of the poor conduct of the Lebs.

The sad fact is that the more muslims there are, the more they try to assert their ways. Let us hope the police and councils have learnt to take the complaints seriously and 'people power' is not needed.

//So as I said the Cronulla day was a protest rally and could not qualify as a riot//

No, it didn't qualify as a protest rally either. It was just a bunch of drunk redneck bogans who couldn't handle their piss making a nuisance of themselves and wasting valuable police time.

//and was because of the poor conduct of the Lebs.//

No, it was because of beer, bundy and the apparent inability of Sydney bogans to hold their liquor well.

"Dog whistle" has become another cliche in politics, if you don't want the terms right, left, center, etc used, which is very French in origin, then substitute your own adjectives and don't be critical of others for using them.
Like the bully boys here, the French Nation Front is a political joke, and the French people had the good sense to avoid them like the plague. We know the consequences of the political joke getting power, murder of millions on a grand scale.
As for Islam and hate, most organised religions have their element of hate within, and the big two, Christianity and Islam, are not short in that department. I am surprised that the Quran has only a 100 or so references that calls devotees to war, the Christian bible does very much the same thing. The saving grace for Christianity is the fact Christ appears to be mainly a pacifists in the new testament, although he was guilty of doing his lolly with the small business types in the temple one Saturday arvo. that has been used by Christians to justify all their acts of war. Mainstream Christianity has ignored the pacifists angle and adopted the theory of just or holy war, just like Christ in the temple, just like the Muslims. The result has been legalised murder on a world scale, millions have died at the hands of people who would profess to be Christians, and not only in the distant past, its happening today.

Glad I am an atheist, and a pacifist.

Paul1405>> Closer to home, I think the general community is happy to go along with that center right philosophy of progressive liberalism of the Turnbull government,<<

We will see Paul, given that the safe seat of North Sydney had a 13% swing against the Libs with no Labor candidate standing. I know many Lib supporters who are going to seek an independant rather than their standing Lib when the next election rolls around. Turnbull and his left ideology suits more Labor voters than Libs.

Define "left ideology"

Define "left ideology"

regressive and leading quickly to the destruction of the normal family unit and Western civilisation.

Paul 1405,
Well the simplest way to describe the stitch up of the FN is to say that the Socialists threatened civil war if the Nationalists won, in the end they chickened out and threw the election so as to favour Sarkozy's Republicans knowing that the centre right had more chance of prevailing over Le Pen.
FN actually increased their vote to over 30% and gained over 400,000 new supporters, from an electoral point of view a disaster, from a Nationalist point of view a spectacular success.
Meanwhile a French court has ruled that there is no such thing as an indigenous French population...no I'm not joking.

Julian..Turnbull's left leanings:
CO2 emissions..fawning over China.........restrictive water policy for farmers.......soft anti terrorist rhetoric....defended Bill Hensons child porn.......supports increasing foreign aid.......and the beat goes on and on and on.

Banjo,

"You freely label racists those who were angry at the conduct of the Lebs who thought they could intimidate and take over the beach."
No I don't. The ones I label racists are those who went after all Lebs there whether or not they were involved in the intimidation.

Do you deny that group
a) exists?
b) is racist?

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sonofgloin,

Take another look at those alleged "left leanings" of Turnbull:
CO2 emissions.... Very little meaningful action yet; certainly much less than Labor.
fawning over China.........WTF are you on about?
restrictive water policy for farmers....... because Australia's rainfall is limited!
soft anti terrorist rhetoric.... which all the experts say is far more effective at stopping terrorism than Abbott's antagonistic hard rhetoric.
defended Bill Hensons child porn....... Or more accurately he defended Bill Henson's photographs (which weren't sexually explicit and didn't harm children) from accusations that they were child porn.
supports increasing foreign aid....... from its current very low level.

and the beat goes on and on and on...ever so slowly. What will it take to speed it up?

Aiden>>Take another look at those alleged "left leanings" of Turnbull:
CO2 emissions.... Very little meaningful action yet; certainly much less than Labor.<<

In February 2009, as Opposition Leader, Turnbull said:
“…certainly we should cut our emissions by more than what Mr Rudd has proposed and I have set out how we can do that.”

Aiden>>fawning over China.........WTF are you on about?<<

In 2011, Turnbull gave two speeches on the rise of Communist China. One in October, at the London School of Economics (which was founded by the far-left,Labor-aligned Fabian Society), and one in November, in Melbourne.
Turnbull, as Opposition Leader, equated Australia’s relationship with the United States to our relationship with Communist China, saying both are “allies”. He was denounced by Kevin Rudd, who explained that China is not an ally, a term with specific treaty implications:
Turnbull would later, as Prime Minister, cite the late Chinese Communist dictator, revolutionary and mass murderer Mao Zedong as an inspiration.

Aiden>>restrictive water policy for farmers....... because Australia's rainfall is limited!<<

In January 2007 Turnbull was appointed Environment Minister. Using global warming as his justification, he immediately began attacking farmers’ water allocations, announcing his plans for compulsory water “buy-backs” from “inefficient” farms. He was subsequently denounced by both the Victorian National Party and Victorian Labor Premier Steve Bracks, who wanted compulsory water buy-backs completely ruled out

Aiden>> soft anti terrorist rhetoric.... which all the experts say is far more effective at stopping terrorism than Abbott's antagonistic hard rhetoric.<<

Malcolm Turnbull, went soft on the anti-terror rhetoric. So soft, in fact, that he was outflanked by Bill Shorten, who compared those who brainwashed the boy to paedophiles.I take it these experts are Europeans.......yeah that works......lolololololol

Aiden>> defended Bill Hensons child porn....... Or more accurately he defended Bill Henson's photographs (which weren't sexually explicit and didn't harm children) from accusations that they were child porn.<<

In May 2008, following complaints from the public, NSW Police raided a so-called “art exhibition” in the Sydney suburb of Paddington, and confiscated about 20 photographs of naked children. The so-called “artist” responsible for the photos is Bill Henson, a well-known photographer. It was later discovered that Henson had travelled to primary schools to hunt down potential “models” for his “art”.
http://melindatankardreist.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/henson-two-pics.jpg

Aiden>>supports increasing foreign aid....... from its current very low level.<<
Turnbull supports sending our borrowed money to the Fabians in Brussels......but he now wants to take from our pensioners.

Hi Jay,
I will bend to your point of view on the French regional elections. As an interested outsider I find it hard at the best of times to understand French politics. I'm sure even the French don't completely understand their brand of politics.
Europe is the front line in the struggle between Western first world democracies like France, Germany etc and the refugee crises created in the Middle East. If the extreme right was to prevail, then I think civil war in Europe would be a distinct possibility, a situation that would play into the hands of terrorists organisations like ISIS. The Europeans would be doing their job for them.
To avid a complete catastrophe, very much depends on how strong the moderates are at keeping control in Europe, along with a lot of input from both the Americans and Russians. Firstly, with the realisation war dosn't work, they need to find a political solution in the Middle East, which seems a long way off, and then tackle the refugee crises itself. If a peace, along with stability and some degree of prosperity for all can be achieved in the ME, then radical organisations like ISIS would simply fade away. If Trump was to win in the US, it would have disastrous consequences for the whole world on this. What is needs is a level headed response, not crazy knee jerk reactions based on extreme political philosophies.

No, Europe is not "the front line in the struggle between Western first world democracies like France, Germany etc and the refugee crises created in the Middle East."

The struggle is with the determined march of Islam seeking to throw the world back to a global pre-mediaeval caliphate. Ask them - they're not slow to broadcast precisely what they mean.

And nothing could be a greater defeat for democracy than if adroit gaming of the electoral system manages to deprive the French people of what they are choosing with their votes - a voice for rejecting piecemeal surrender via appeasement.

A poser for the dog-whistlers: are the above observations left ideology or right ideology?

Here's a question posed from 10 years further on and 2500 miles further west. Do the Moslems now control the Cronulla beach and are those who choose what to wear there still subject to Moslem harassment? If not, maybe carrying the backlash into their heartland back then did some lasting good.

Julian, the backlash never entered their heartland, that's a myth, if a gang of White boys tried anything in Blacktown they'd be carried on stretchers and in body bags. It was never about Islam, it was about identity and ethnicity, many of the marauders coming in to Sutherland were of nominally Christian heritage.

Paul 1405. As racists at some point we have to ask whether there's just something fundamentally wrong with Germanic/Nordic people, as Nietzsche suggested all those years ago; they cannot seem to help themselves when it comes causing chaos across Europe.
Yeah war is coming to Europe, it's a certainty because every time there's been a massive population shift or population explosion on the continent the whole region has been plunged into conflict. Remember Mr Hitler and his obsession with Lebensraum? What's never mentioned is that one of the causes of WW2 was the massive increase in Germany's population from the 1870's on.
Population decline leads to weak nations, leads to invasion by more fecund and aggressive tribes which leads to war.

If women were being harassed by Moslems because of the way they were dressed at the beach it was about Islam.

Julian,
No, the problem was with Lebanese men, on the day of the civil disobedience the crowd were chanting F-off Lebs!
It was not a riot.
It had nothing to do with religion.
Alchohol consumption was not a significant aggravating factor on the day.
Only a very small number of people in the 5000 strong crowd were involved in the violence, a few dozen at most.
The incendiary text messages which circulated in the days before the uprising alluded to "Leb and Wog bashing day".

The Anti Racist narrative promoted by the media is a lie, all of it.
Mate I'm a participant in a centre left group called the UPF which criticises globalistaion, immigration and violent Anti Racist extremism, what the media reports about our rallies and what actually goes on are as night to day.
At the last rally we had 35 people,Fairfax and Newscorp reported 150, they reported ugly clashes with violent supporters of Premier Andrews, these were verbal taunts delivered over the heads of a double line of riot Police creating a buffer zone of about 40 metres, I couldn't even see the opposition.
Don't believe anything you read in the papers, they have no credibility.

JOM wrote: "The Anti Racist narrative promoted by the media is a lie, all of it."

Related to this, here is my letter to the ABC on November 23. Didn't get a reply of course.

Subject: Use English

"You persistently present rival demonstrations as anti-Islam vs anti-racist. Islam is not a race, it's a religious ideology. Criticising it, opposing it, deriding it, impeding it is not racism. Those who perceive in Islam a threat to human rights and to the legal system on which human rights depend in Australia have rational, fact-based reasons to do so, backed by mountains of evidence from everyday observations to scholarly literature, whether ABC ideologues agree with them or not. To label their opponents as anti-racist is to imply, insultingly, that those opposing the spread of Islam are racist in doing so. It is time that ABC and similar news outlets came clean and explained just how opposing the Islamic ideology comes to be racist. Best of luck, you'll need it."

Julian,
Nicely put, the people opposing us using the rhetoric of "Anti Racism" are in the main just addled Trotskyites and Greens who actually support the war in the Middle East, the central cause of friction between Muslims and Australians.
The real reason they hate us so much is because we're treading on their toes and pulling their beards and exposing them as frauds and shameless apologists for the Neo Liberal, globalist capitalist agenda.
We're a group which is entirely working class and which has come up from street protesting and social media, as opposed to their fake Left coalition drawn from and financed by the bourgeois parties and the universities.

"Anti-Muslim protests sparked by a proposed mosque in Bendigo were organised by a far right group based in Sydney and Melbourne known as the United Patriots Front that sees this as the first battle in what it calls a war against the Islamicisation of Australia."

Come, come Jay; "I'm a participant in a centre left group called the UPF: centre left? What about Blair Cottrell Victorian leader of the UPF, is this the same Blair Cottrell who wanted a picture of Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler in every classroom in every school in Australia. Hummm, centre left you say.

//Mate I'm a participant in a centre left group called the UPF//

Would this be the same UPF that claims solidarity with Golden Dawn, or a different UPF? Because if it is the same one that claims solidarity with Holocaust-denying neo-Nazis, I think you might need a refresher course on political theory to remind you of the differences between 'centre-left' and 'far-right'.

Toni, please don't mention the war, Basil Fawlty did, but he got away with it, so he said. These guys would like us to think they are simply some good folk, rather reasonable moderate people, just out to protect our interests. Mention "FAR RIGHT", it still conjures up images of Hitler and concentration camps, mass extermination of innocent people, not a good look for these "nice folk"."CENTRE LEFT", now that conjures up images of Mother Teresa and fields of daffodils, masses of little children frolicking at play. Now what image would they rather project?

Toni, a blast from the past, on the UPF bus to Bendigo was none other than Ross 'The Skull' May, a well known Sydney Neo-Nazi and head kicker, maybe 'The Skull' was sitting next to Jay, discussing "centre left" politics. Seems, May was too much for them to drop on the good folk of Bendigo, so they dropped him off short of town, and presumably he had to walk in.

Paul,
No what actually happened was that nobody on that UPF bus knew who Ross May and his mate were, when someone asked him and then Googled his name they realised and booted them off somewhere along the Hume.
UPF is a Melbourne based group, there are about half a dozen men here, one in Perth, one in Brisbane and one in Bendigo and a few dozen people in each city who turn out regularly to the events they organise.
If you go to their Facebook page and actually watch their videos you'll see that what they're proposing is basically old Labor values, more like the old ACTU Maoist faction than anything.
Mate if the UPF were promoting racism don't you think they'd have been pulled in under section 18c by now?
Islam is a merely a rhetorical diving line to split the nominally "White" population into an "us" and a "them", those who submit and those who won't,it's really got nothing to do with Muslims in a broad sense.
We the followers set out to challenge and confront the wowsers, the squares and the people who scurry about with their heads in their phones all day, Muslims are a strong, dynamic network of ethnic groups, we aim to build up the Australians to that level.

Toni, I've no idea if the UPF expressed support for XA or not, if such a move offends people like you then I'm all for it, if people like you keep calling us Nazis and ordinary working class people keep turning up to the rallies it'll work in our favour, so please, by all means keep it up.
The bulk of the reporting on the UPF by Fairfax has been exposed as a malicious prank by a person posing as a journalist named "Luke McMahon". McMahon is the pseudonym of an "Anarchist" internet hoaxer, unidentified to this day who has played numerous tricks on the mainstream media including the hilarious "Underground Dole Army" story from the early 2000's.

//if such a move offends people like you then I'm all for it//

Really? You're happy to claim solidarity with a criminal neo-nazi group just because it offends people who don't like neo-nazis (which last time I checked was pretty much everybody except neo-nazis and the UPF)? Oh well, whatever floats your boat.

Toni,
Theres' no such thing as a Neo Nazi and people who have a firm grip on reality understand that at no point in history has anyone successfully taken something from the past and brought it into the present, that's commonly called time travel and barring further scientific developments it's still very much a fantasy.

"Neo-Nazism" has a clear meaning, it means applying to the circumstances of the present day the "principles" of party and social organisation espoused by Hitler in "Mein Kampf" and practised by the German state from 1933 to 1945. A marker that characterises (but doesn't define) neo-Nazism is obsessive anti-Semitism (real, not the dog whistle used by the Zionists) and the assertion that the worth of human beings and the basis for closing ranks with them is defined by their genetic ancestry. A further marker for neo-Nazis is their nostalgia for the symbolism of the German enemy before and during their failed war of conquest. See for example http://www.anp14.com/about/index.php.

Julian,
You'd be surprised how many of those Nazi fetishists turn out to be Gay, Jewish or mixed race, but no they're not the "New Nazis" and they're no threat to anyone. In the U.S they exist primarily as an intelligence pool for the FBI and BATF to infiltrate gangs and collect information on people for firearms and drug violations, they're like a honey pot for outlaws and all sorts of sketchy characters.
Guys like Ross May have always worked for the state, in the 1970's he used to bash "Commos", nowadays him and his mate Tyler work with the Liberal party trying to infiltrate and disrupt nationalist groups and community organisations opposed to out of control foreign property development and such like.

//Theres' no such thing as a Neo Nazi//

Of course there isn't, Jay. They're just a bogey-man invented by pranksters to frighten paranoid Jews, homosexuals and lefties. People like this:

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01387/neo-nazis_1387321i.jpg

only wear swastikas and carry swastika flags and perform nazi salutes and so on because they think they look pretty. It has nothing to do with support or admiration for the white supremacist policies of Nazism. They're just decent working class people who think that swastikas are a nice design. Why, probably some of their best friends are gay black jews, and the rest are gypsies with disabilities.

Funny how you only seem them photographed with other white, black-wearing, tattooed and swastika adorned mates. You think they'd want to get a few selfies with their black mates at Harmony Day celebrations. Maybe their black friends are uncomfortable about the idea of being photographed next to a symbol which, while admittedly a very striking and aesthetically pleasing design, is an icon of the very worst aspects of humanity.

Sorry, Jay, but neo-nazis invariably fail the goose test. If it looks like a goose, honks like a goose and steps like a goose then it is probably a goose

//people who have a firm grip on reality understand that at no point in history has anyone successfully taken something from the past and brought it into the present, that's commonly called time travel and barring further scientific developments it's still very much a fantasy.//

ROLFMAO.

If Dr Who goes back to 1943 and whisks a Nazi back to the present in the TARDIS, that would not be a neo-nazi: it would be a time-travelling Nazi.

And history is essentially composed of people taking things from the past and brining it into the present, because that is how time works. If pick up any object and wait for an infinitesimal period, I have just brought it from the past into the present. And all I had to do was proceed along my normal, dull worldline through spacetime. This is not commonly called time travel. Even though we are following a time-like curve through spacetime, we don't really think of it as 'time travel' in the science-fiction sense of the term.

Time travel would be something more along the lines of taking some from the present (or recent past) into the more distant past. You run into all sorts of physical problems there, and it is indeed still very much a fantasy. But going the other way? Not a problem. That is how time works (although exactly how and why it works that way is bit of problem which causes much consternation for many physicists).

//Guys like Ross May have always worked for the state, in the 1970's he used to bash "Commos", nowadays him and his mate Tyler work with the Liberal party trying to infiltrate and disrupt nationalist groups//

Yeah, because it seems totally plausible that the Libs would risk the public backlash if it became public knowledge that they were working with neo-nazis. And it seems equally plausible that a committed neo-nazi like 'The Skull' would want to go around disrupting organisations made up of his fellow white supremacists. (Sarcasm).

With wild conspiracy theories like that, we might have to start calling you 'Arjay of Melbourne'.

Jay, how did Ross 'The Skull' May get on your bus in the first place, did he have a ticket? How did he know where and where to catch the bus? When you dropped him off on the Hume Hwy, did he get off peaceably, given his reputation as a violent psychopath. Gee, I recall us discussing Ross May on this very forum some time back.

On the bus did Jay turn to John, somewhere along the Hume Hwy, and say; "Have you noticed that odd looking balled headed gentleman sitting down the back between our two German friends Adolf and Herman." John's reply "No Jay, he looks perfectly normal to me, he fits right in."

Here he is in all his glory;

http://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/news-photo/amongst-australias-neo-nazis-in-sydney-australia-in-2001-news-photo/113984929

No comment on Blair Cottrell the Victorian leader of the UPF, who wanted a picture of Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler in every classroom in every school in Australia

Paul 1405, Toni Lavis.
Are you 100% sure those reports are true? The Australian media don't have a great reputation for honesty, just ask a Muslim or an Aboriginal person.

Ross May and his "Squadron 88" work for Howard Crawford and Marcus Cornish of the NSW Liberals, this is common knowledge.
You're telling me there's never any real "backlash" when so called "Neo Nazis" are discovered in Liberal ranks?
It's happened at least twice in the last year or so with Scott Harrison and Felicity Sharpe in Victoria, they send these idiots along to get their photo taken at rallies and public meetings so they can discredit the target group.
The Left did the same thing with people like Glenn Anderson and Phil Callea but they're both too crazy to be reliable.
Get your heads out of the newspapers people, what goes on in real life and what the papers report are two completely different things.