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This application should not even be considered

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h, the possibility of being wrongfully convicted is far lower than in decades past.

Yes but o e wrongful death is one too many so the death penilty should o only ever be considered for cases whereby the offender is caught red handed ar la Martin Bryant. Circumstantial evidence can and does get planted at times.
Posted by rehctub, Sunday, 8 November 2015 11:47:56 AM
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AJ Philips Quote "for the safety of society" Those words should be taken into account but Politically Correct does not, here is an example from Melbourne.

Three 16-year-old boys have been assaulted and robbed by a group of men after police shut down a teenage party in Melbourne.

Officers shut down the large party in Oakleigh East just before 9.30pm on Friday, but several youths remained in the area.

Three boys, aged 16, were assaulted and a wallet was stolen about 45 minutes later when about 30 young men, of African appearance, turned up near the gathering.

Politically correct let them into the country and society pays the price again and again, they should be deported on committing of any crime rather than one that draws a 1 year jail term.
Posted by Philip S, Sunday, 8 November 2015 3:11:10 PM
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I had a bit to do with Kevin CRUMP and Alan BAKER when I was working. Both rank amongst the worst criminals NSW has seen, in the last half century or so. Any consideration of releasing either of them, would be in direct conflict with the recommendations of the trial Justice (who's name I've forgotten), who said inter alia, both should remain in Gaol for the rest of their natural lives, therefore they both should expire in gaol.

Many police at the time, openly expressed contemptuous views, saying that recommendation would probably not stand ? Essentially, because in the years to come, some 'do-gooder' or some politician would seek to make a name for himself by recommending both individuals be released, in the name of humanity and justice ?

I'm only a dumb ex detective, so I know nothing about rehabilitation or readaptation as a result of intensive gaol training, or any other psychological initiatives and remedial processes ? But I do happen to know both of these two crims quite well.

Of the two, Alan BAKER was the ringleader, and the most 'inventive' of the torture occasioned upon Mrs MORSE (the victim)? Kevin CRUMP is very much a follower, but equally as vicious as BAKER. Interestingly, at the time of their arrest Kevin CRUMP could neither read nor write, only comprehend the 'racing form' to be found in most daily news papers ?

It's therefore my humble opinion neither should EVER be released, for any reason whatsoever. To do otherwise, would be shaming the memory of Mrs Virginia MORSE and her family, together with the entire population of the town of Moree, in picturesque north western, New South Wales.
Posted by o sung wu, Monday, 9 November 2015 2:43:07 PM
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Since convicting innocent people of murder and later finding they were stitched up is a national sport in Australia (especially WA but also notorious in the Northern Territory where a jury of ignorant rednecks found the Chamberlains guilty even after being warned by the judge that a conviction would be unsafe) no penalty should be irreversible. That rules out execution.

However gaol sentences should mean what they say with perhaps a proviso that if it is later shown that a defendant was wrongly convicted the prosecutor who convinced a jury beyond reasonable doubt that he was guilty should be gaoled for perverting the course of justice. This should focus prosecutors' minds on seeking truth above convictions.

Members of parole boards should be made jointly and severally liable for crippling financial damages if a criminal they sool on to the public reoffends. This might concentrate their sympathies on innocent citizens like Jill Meagher rather than on scum like violent serial rapist Adrian Bayley whom they inflicted on the public.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Monday, 9 November 2015 3:00:47 PM
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I remember a case in the UK where a released murderer in his late seventies killed a small girl. They are always a danger!
Never to be released should mean just that. NO payment to any lawyer appealing these laws in fact their names should be up in lights so we can spit on them!
Yes lets make any lawyer involved and the parole board liable to be sacked and bankrupted. No sleazy lawyer would risk one cent never mind an ex judge on a massive pension.
Posted by JBowyer, Monday, 9 November 2015 4:51:56 PM
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These people will be given a discount on their sentences so that they can be rehabilitated into Australian society.

I think that when they are released they should be billeted in the homes of a court magistrate so that they will feel a greater sense of rehabilitation.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Monday, 9 November 2015 7:00:01 PM
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