Hi Paul,

A bit off-topic [i.e., union corruption], but when you mention Jones, you may need to be careful not to upset the homosexual and homosexual marriage lobbies, as well as the Greens.

BTT: I couldn't bear to watch either 4 Corners or Q&A last night, but from what I've read of Lawler and Jackson (and Thomson and Obeid etc., etc.), I would strongly advise anybody who would care to listen, to learn as much as they can about a union before they join it. And if such knowledge was difficult to find out, give it a miss.

Of course, unions play vital roles in our economy, BUT only if they are not corrupt (if they have mechanisms for detecting and expelling crooks) and if they genuinely serve the members, i.e. bust their arses for members, and are not just a bunch of time-servers.

As well, anybody working should check out whether or not they are already signed up into a union without knowing it, a la Shorten.

I must say I can't wait for the next instalment of the Royal Commission ....

Joe

Capitalism is about capital (maintaining the value of money). Competition is about playing companies against each other to lower labour and produced products prices. I don’t see money increasing value while historically… manufactured products (being mostly imported) seem to maintain similar value over recent years. Wage inflation is about 4% annually.

If you’re buying a house, wage inflation increases costs of new buildings. Old buildings depreciate. Wage inflation aids maintaining property price valuations. Without year to year reliable wage inflation, fewer wage earners would consider investing in property, fewer buildings would be built, assuming wage earners renting, assuming more marriages braking up.

Increased wages give new property buyers, earning increasing wages, the confidence and incentive to purchase property. These periodic 2 year buying periods, based on low interest rates, induce people into buying property.

If by not being a property investor, share certificate dividends are an alternative to low bank interest savings.
This version of capitalism is based on saving money at the expense of money losing value; risky investment bankruptcies and or merely saving money, never bothering to spend savings wealth economy.

GDP reflects new employment ratio to new employment seekers, unemployment miner up down percentages.

Does not anyone realise capitalism is too good to be true? Does everyone still believe in real magic not being faked Magic tricks?

Because most workers are saving money, rather than spending money, financial institutions, transport fuel costs, (not buying Australian services and manufactures products) I believe, share traded company profits are not providing profits to the majority of Australian share traded business, who mostly provide employment and annual wage increases to pay out property loans.

Capitalism may work in counties where a very rich class society provides wages for a working class poor. In the end, when that unsubsidised capitalism fails to work, a French Revolution example results.

Unions are part of the propaganda, fake scandals exposures, anecdotal democracy transparency.

Shadow minister you are preaching to many who have enjoyed their lives provided through someones risk.

There are sectors where PR should stay, but then there are sectors like hospitallity, tourism and retail where by consumer habits have changed demands and seen a huge increase in weekend trade, esspecially Sundays.

The simple truth is that many prices have reached their limit and if ere is no winding back of rates for these days, JOBS WILL GO.

Perhaps a better option would be to bring back the pre extended trading hours, hours, shut at noon Satuurday, unlawful to open Sundays public holidays.

It stands to reason that if you extend trading hours, then wages rates must also be altered, but try telling any union/unionist that.

Another problem is that like work choices, many who are against the removal of penalty rates are nit actually effected personally.

We now have a situation where staff get paid more on weekends while employers get paid less and that's an unhealthy balance especially given many employers hands are tied with the likes of UFD laws. Is it little wonder people suffer from casualization and underemployment.

Sadly, many will learn the hard way but at least we will be able to say, WE TOLD YOU SO.

Shadow wrong again, Jones is a Liberal Party member, and one of great influence no less, Jones was at the time of being charged with a serious sex offence in London a Liberal Party member. Unlike Solomon where the record shows that he was un-financial, and thus not a Greens member at the time of the alleged offence, and I have that on good authority, as their is no evidence to the contrary, he may have gone off and joined the Liberal Party. Shadow, again quoting from one of Uncle Rupts fish wrappers 'The Daily Telecrap' a very unreliable source of information if ever there was one.

Being big in the Liberal Party do you ever get down with Jones and chew the fat so to speak?

Joe, we Greens do agree with Jones on one subject, his opposition to Coal Seam Gas in NSW, something that for some unexplained reason the Liberal government is all in favour of, could it have something to do with the big "donations" the party receives from this noxious business? Possibly Shadow can enlighten us on that subject

Paul,

Wow, You really couldn't see it, are you really that illiterate? to quote you:

"Unlike Jones, Solomon was not a Greens member at the time"

But Solomon was a greens member when he started to groom children. The greens have no records to the contrary. To refresh your memory.

"A FORMER Greens candidate has been charged with grooming a child for sex and having child pornography material after police carried out an online sting.

Karel Solomon, a Greens member who contested the 2012 Marrickville local council election, was arrested on Tuesday afternoon in an undercover police operation.

Police allege Solomon, 61, made sexually explicit comments to a police officer posing as a 13-year-old girl online during the operation last month.

He then planned to meet the girl at a Parramatta restaurant but was instead confronted by detectives.

Karel was once a member of the Greens Petersham/Newtown Branch and was part of the “Green Team” in the 2012 Marrickville election."

How unfortunate Shadow that you have fallen for one of uncle Rupts concoctions. it would seem from reliable sources that this "story" about the mystery Karel Solomon only appeared in one publication, your uncle Rupts gutter rag 'The Daily Telecrap', how unreliable is that! It may well have been the result of a late night drinking session between your two bosom buddies, the brutish Pier Akerman, and the voluptuous Miranda Devine. It is believed by some that following this heavy drinking session a late night phone call was had from Uncle Rups in his New York HQ, demanding "get some dirt on the Greens, they are too popular with the people!". Like the sycophantic servants they are Akerman and Devine complied with much exaggerated exuberance.

While we are on the subject, can you enlighten me as to who is the former unnamed prime minister Liberal senate grub Hefferman was referring too as being on a list of pedophiles? The cowardly Hefferman seen fit to use parliamentary privileged to slander every PM from Barton to Abbott, note it can not be Turnbull as he is not yet a former PM. Come on you should know!

Were you a student at Kings School in the 1970's under Master Jones? I think you were.

Back on the subject, When is rabbit Abbott going to pay for that national treasure (ie one marble coffee table of huge national and cultural significance to the Aussie people) he and/or cronies smashed up in a drunken rage the night Abbott was ass holed?