Butch says yes. He is at the crossroads of life. I always thought someone could never be as bad as he makes out. Republicanism is a moderate’s ambition, it is to much to think butch could ever;

Incredible things happen, and this is one of them.

A vote should be taken at the next election, a simple yes, no, box added to the ballot paper. It can then be thrown around for the next 3 years. The first step is to have that vote.

Howard got to far in front of himself with his republic model, and that ended up stacked to suite him.

Australia is more than ready, to make that Yes No decision. Abbott disgraced us as a nation with his uninformed choice to downgrade Australia in the eyes of the world. [ Philip ]

The US version is only one of many different scenarios we could have, we need a uniquely Australian version of republican democracy. A bill of rights does not make any sense to me, but an Australia ID card is accentual. I do not know how many times my pass port has been photocopied because we do not have ID.

Besides it is dangerous to have to carry a passport wherever you go.

We have full rights as is, I am not sure what that would achieve. It could actually go against our freedom. If it means a slackening of some laws, I would not be in favor.

@ Poirot, "Erm...can you inform the forum what employment and prosperity is forthcoming to Australia in 2015 by having the Queen formally appoint the GG on the advice of the Prime Minister?"

Poirot, that question is typically about nonsense. Like the idea of a republic that question has absolutely no productivity or export revenue relevance.

What would a republic do for employment and prosperity?

Why don't you come to the table with some productive debate and ideas that have or might have potential? Instead of nonsense.

No, I'm still in favour of a monarchy. Long live his Imperial Majesty King Leonard of Hutt, Emperor of Australia & all her Principalities and Domains!

Dear Poirot,

<<Frankly, that's a bit silly.>>
(that a republic would increase national pride)

It's not my own claim which I just invented - this is what the web-site which Nathan introduced claims and Armchair Critic seems to agree with them as well.

Many on that web-site want a republic explicitly because they consider national-pride a desirable outcome. As I consider that same outcome to be negative and it seems (according to them) that the Queen is in their way, then I say "Long live the Queen!"

JF Aus,

"Poirot, that question is typically about nonsense. Like the idea of a republic that question has absolutely no productivity or export revenue relevance."

Lol!...I was merely reframing your statement:

"From a business and employment and prosperity point of view it was the British "that initiated and helped develop Australia to what it is today."

...and asking why you consider having the Queen as figurehead in 2015 has any relevance to Australia's employment and prosperity?

Something which you appear to be unable to answer.

I asked:

"What does being a constitutional monarchy do economically for Australia that being a republic couldn't do?"

To which you responded:

"Why don't you come to the table with some productive debate and ideas that have or might have potential? Instead of nonsense."

So you respond with absolutely no substance to my enquiry ...nothing...zip...zilch.

Where is your "productive debate", JF Aus - so far you've contributed nothing but meaningless waffle to this thread.

Can anybody direct me to the crux of JF Aus's point...other than once upon a time Britain was our master and initiated and helped develop Australia?

Don't accuse other people of posting "nonsense" when you're busy sprinkling it around yourself...and responding to other posters with puffs of hot air with no substance whatsoever.

.....

ttbn,

Notwithstanding that I usually give as good as I get on this forum, I think, all in all, that my contributions to this thread have been quite measured.

So when I read bilge like this:

"....a petulance born of malcontentedness and a desire to vent frustrations that have more to do with Left-wing, anarchy..."

I realise that some here are not interested in discuss the merits or not of the subject at hand, but merely putting in a boot laced with a little partisan hysteria.

Ho hum....OLO at its finest.

Export and foreign exchange. Is that what your againstism is about. That is somewhat of a naked comment. All our govt; has to do is set the stage and export and foreign exchange will take off like a rocket. Remember we have had 2 years of stagnation, and depressed economics.

I am sure our govt; can handle both issues at the same time. It was always about getting the right sort of govt; in place. And now we have that, and the outlook has risen to is best for 2 years.

We now have the best pair of political leaders in history, it is now a matter of what we want them to do for us as a nation. We must unite around our chosen leaders, surge forward, and prosper.
We need to be a republic and distance our selves from the motherland.
A national ID of who we are and not where we come from. England today is a very small part of Australia we are diverse and multicultural. This is one of the worlds best melting pots, of mixed race and delicious foods. Where would you be without a cappuccino. Sipping Earl Grey tea at noon with a kipper sandwich.

Give me a lump of rump and a bottle of beer and I would do anything for you.

Time has moved on and so must we, the time is right to consolidate Australia as a stand alone nation, and take NZ as another state and build a bigger Australia.