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The Forum > General Discussion > Typical of Labor, make it undesirable to employ, then blame the other side.

Typical of Labor, make it undesirable to employ, then blame the other side.

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So here we have the likes of Bill Shorten blaming the libs for the loss of full time jobs and the instability of workers with regards to their job security.

Since the 90's labor governments have implemented the likes of unfair dismissal laws, strengthened when they regained power, rediculous penalty rates in certain sectors, despite industry demand changes and redundancy payouts when employees have to be retrenched.

While all these may seem like reasonable safety nets for the employee, the reality is they are all deterents for employers to want to employ workers, especially in the likes of permernant full time positions.

The hypocrisy of Labor to implement these, then lay the blame on the current government for the recent changes in employment.

How typical!
Posted by rehctub, Thursday, 15 October 2015 8:45:34 PM
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Butch here you go again with your ideal world where the employer such as yourself is king and the worker is little better than a slave with his begging bowel in hand. Self interest is a great motivator. How we long for the good old days of serfdom to return.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 16 October 2015 4:13:45 AM
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A typical far right wing Conservative rant. The year is 2015 not 1990 . Abbott demolished jobs by the hundreds of thousands to suit his failing economy crap.

Unemployment is stuck at 6.2 %. The worst for 10 Years. And all you can see is itís Laborís fault.

By this time next year there is going to be mass unemployment from the auto makers and manufactures. Without intervention, unemployment is programmed to double. And then we will have twice as many bludgers on the dole as you would say.

Ridiculous penalty rates in certain sectors. That is a centralized concern from invested parties. There is a lot of arguments against any changes to the system as is. It is too one sided.
Bill made any more fictitious announcements lately. Even SM couldnít defend that one.

Abbott is languishing and spitting dummies on the back bench. Turnbull is in charge, what took so long Labor told you who was the best man for the job 2 years ago but no your sense of direction was out of control. Abbott fixed your red tape problems and you are still winging.

We have the best team at the helm right now, with Mal and Bill in charge who could go wrong, this is a powerful govt; the best in more than two years. We can now settle in for sustainability and no instability for quite some time into the future. A vote for Mal is a vote for Labor, thank heavens the previous shemozzle was bought to an end.

No early morning reading to see which foot Abbott had in his mouth, you were warned, but no you had to go your way. Now you are best advised to take notice of a professional team to run this great nation.

Climate change, wind , solar , wave, power are all major jobs that need urgent attention. Australia needs to go it alone and put Climate Change into Legislation as a priority, and create Tens of thousands of jobs.

Bendigo has got 1000 Hawkeye vehicles to build and Adelaide will have 20 subs.
Posted by doog, Friday, 16 October 2015 6:12:21 AM
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As usual Paul you have missed my point, that being, how hypocritical of labor to have implemented the job crushing IR laws then lay blame on the libs.

When are these fools going to realize that for every action, there is a reaction.

As an example, if there is a decline in women in the workforce (full time positions) il bet if labor are in power at the time they will blame the libs, yet the real cause will be maternity leave.

I know a young lass who worked for a bank, went on ML and decided after the three months were up that she would not return. No real issues there for her, but, the bank had to hold her position open just in case, and her replacement didn't know if they had a full time job so even if they had been a better worker, the bank could have lost them because their hands were tied.

So Paul, I'm not saying workers shouldn't have what they have, although I am against parts of the unfair dismissal laws and maternity leave, but people must understand that any beneficial changes they receive may come at a cost, the cost to today's worker is uncertainty, brought about by casualization and insecurity in their jobs, brought about mainly through Labors IR changes.

There are very few set for life jobs left nowadays.

How does one enter into a thirty year home loan when they have a contracted job with an expiery date, a very common arrangement in today's work environment.

Perhaps this has a lot to do with the housing affordability crisis because banks are reluctant to lend when uncertainty is involved.

It's not rocket science, but to blame others is just hypocrisy.
Posted by rehctub, Friday, 16 October 2015 6:18:35 AM
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Hypocrisy is what it is. Unfair dismissal laws need to be in place because employers are not the most trusted people on this planet.

If you want to dismiss staff because of economics, go ahead, just donít reemploy any one else to take their place. That is fair.

Why would anyone filling in for someone else be anxious about if that person was coming back or not. It is not their position to want to know. They took the job on knowing they were temporary.

This is why we now have persons with sensible heads to head our govt; McDonalds clown was never going to be a proper PM, it is now fixed thank heavens. We have employers rights and we have workers rights, both have to be protected by law. Gone are the days of pub employment, cash pays, everybody has obligations to be met.

Unions were bought about because of unscrupulous employers, the ones that are continually trying to evade the lawful system to line their own pockets, and throw some crumbs to the peasants. Oliver Twist was an example of slave labor, he got chastised for asking for more food.

Our system is 38 Hours / week, within that time you are supposed to earn a sustainable living for age. As we are still a first world, we can not have exploitation, slave labor or under payment of employment. That is not what Australian law allows. We can not compete with third world wages or conditions. And who would want to.

For 5 months of the year I live in a third world country, The wages are $1.50 / day , Plus free food , free transport to and from work, and slum type housing. The workers are trapped in a cycle of poverty, that never ends. The workplace is a 5 star hotel for tourists. Their govt; is corrupt, the police are corrupt, the employers are multinational and corrupt, their country is a tropical paradise and picture perfect.
Posted by doog, Friday, 16 October 2015 7:54:19 AM
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Economic management was woeful under Gillard, worse under Abbott and it's too early to say if it will be substantially different under Turnbull.

When demand is strong (as can be expected if the economy's being well run) there will be plenty of desire to employ more people regardless of what our unfair dismissal laws are.

Conversely, when demand is weak, there won't be much desire to employ people even if there are no unfair dismissal laws.
Posted by Aidan, Friday, 16 October 2015 11:00:32 AM
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