Roscop "BTW the Rosie Batty man blaming road show continues:"
There is NO one else to blame for Luke's death than his father...who bashed and knifed his son to death in front of other children.

Rosie and the law personnel she consulted for all of those years now realize she was right to try and keep this violent man away from her son.
If only they had listened to her....

Yep, Rosie Batty is another gender warrior with no real solution for anything whatsoever, just psychobabble. I thought she had gone out to England to escape Anderson's bashings because I heard her tell ABC Radio 720's John McGlue so. She still might have. Anderson was definitely a basher - proved it by beating a child (his own, for Crissakes) to death with a cricket bat.

What a pity he was at large. What a pity the mother pesuaded Luke to trust him.

The coroner's statement at http://www.smh.com.au/national/luke-batty-missed-opportunities-to-intervene-in-boys-death-coroner-finds-20150928-gjwpz0.html leaves no doubt that Anderson was a scumbag and the state failed to lock him up even under the basher-friendly laws currently prevailing. (Use mute button to escape the video performances).

Suseonline

A. "...his father...who bashed and knifed his son to death in front of other children."

Actually my understanding is that only one 8yo boy(coach's son?) part of what happened when he came upon the father striking his son in the nets and then went back and told his father.

That day Rosie Batty thought she was extending great generosity to the father who had seen little if anything of his son in the previous 8 weeks by allowing her (his? their?) son an extra five minutes with his father who had travelled all the way from Frankston by public transport. Clearly the father had reached the end of the road with mother and didn't have the finance for further court battles or if he did where was it to come from?

I'd say what the father did was to pre-empt any move to the antipodes, that the mother may have intended.

B. "Rosie and the law personnel she consulted for all of those years now realize she was right to try and keep this violent man away from her son." (That's right HER SON not HIS SON or THEIR SON).

Now tell us what did trying to keep "this violent man away from" HER SON achieve? Or do you expect the law to chain up fathers with no convictions, to a post or incarcerate them, for up to sixteen 16 years, on the basis of UNSUBSTANTIATED allegations ie mother's uncorroborated word.

Roscop,

"BTW the Rosie Batty man blaming road show continues:...."

Not on this thread....On this thread it's Roscop and the "Rosie Batty blaming road show".

Suse said:

"There is NO one else to blame for Luke's death than his father...who bashed and knifed his son to death in front of other children."

Your reply:

"Actually my understanding is that only one 8yo boy(coach's son?) part of what happened when he came upon the father striking his son in the nets and then went back and told his father.

That day Rosie Batty thought she was extending great generosity to the father who had seen little if anything of his son in the previous 8 weeks by allowing her (his? their?) son an extra five minutes with his father who had travelled all the way from Frankston by public transport. Clearly the father had reached the end of the road with mother and didn't have the finance for further court battles or if he did where was it to come from?

I'd say what the father did was to pre-empt any move to the antipodes, that the mother may have intended."

This man viciously beat his son to death (as you point out, having travelled all the way from Frankston by public transport to do it). . That he was capable of such a feat (for whatever reason) tells me that his mother had very good reason to limit their time together.

But then, Roscop, when you write things such as:

"What you are talking about are very small numbers like 1 intimate partner homicide per week and in terms of the number of divorces involving children which in Australia I understand is around half of the 50,000 per year, that's a very low rate of homicides..."

A very "low" rate of homicides...btw 67 (women) so far this year...is that "low" enough for you?

I dunno, it seems to me that savagely beating one's young son to death qualifies him to be exactly as Rosie perceived him.

Why do you keep blaming the person who didn't beat their son to death?

I don't know enough detail on the specifics of that particular situation to have formed an opinion. Anderson could have just been bad to start with or he could have been a flawed human pushed and pushed until he cracked.

I hope the point that Roscop is trying to make though is that hounding someone through the family law system over many years can contribute to someone with a weakness who might otherwise cope OK cracking and doing the unthinkable.

That sometimes the processes supposedly put their to protect can be wielded as a weapon that wears otherwise good but not perfect people down. That abuse of the legal systems can sometimes contribute to the breakdown of the the person being attacked through that system.

I have no comment on this specific case but I do think the abuse of the court systems added to the brutal formulas used by CSA are significant factors in some of the intimate partner homicides, some of the murder suicides. Not all but the angst unfairness in those systems cause is all to well known to some of us and ignored by those who have not been there (and what I experienced was very light to what some experience).

R0bert

I say again, NO ONE but the father is to blame for this boy's violent death.
One doesn't need to know anything about the case to come to that obvious conclusion.
There is NO excuse for what he did, none at all.

The fact that Roscop uses a disgusting human like Anderson as a poster boy for Roscop's gripe against the system says a lot about him....